Classic trolling…

Demand proof and then ignore it completely. Respond with a barrage of counter accusations and supposed inconsistencies, no matter how ridiculous or debunked.

In general seek to derail the whole discussion and prevent anything of substance from being discussed.

Something actually thread relevant:

Russian Military Involved In Shooting Down Flight MH17, Researchers Say

May 7, 2016

Russian officials are trying to discredit a new report that implicates the Russian military in the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines flight 17. Nearly two years ago, that attack in the skies over eastern Ukraine killed 298 people.

The latest report comes from a U.K.-based organization called Bellingcat, which bills itself as a group of citizen investigative journalists. Much of their work is done by volunteers, who sift through open source information on the web, using social media and satellite imagery. The group was launched with a crowd-funding campaign, and says it now receives a grant from Google.

Bellingcat has focused on a number of big stories such as the war in Syria and the terror attacks in Paris. The team has been interested in the MH17 case ever since the plane was shot down in July 2014.

Early on, the group found photographs of an anti-aircraft missile launcher that were taken in eastern Ukraine on the day the plane was shot down. Eliot Higgins, one of the founders of Bellingcat, says his group linked the missile launcher, called a Buk, to the Russian 53rd air defense brigade. That unit is stationed in the Russian city of Kursk, not far from the Ukrainian border.

“We discovered quite quickly that the soldiers there were using a lot of social media, posting photographs of each other, posting photographs of the base,” Higgins says.

The photographs included pictures of their equipment, such as their Buk missile launchers. The launcher that was believed to have shot down the Malaysian airliner had an identification number that was partly worn away, but the researchers were able to pick out other unique characteristics. They included a dent in the side of the launcher and even the pattern formed by soot around the exhaust pipe.

“We looked at all these details and we were able to establish the number of the missile launcher, which was 332,” Higgins says.

In other words, Bellingcat is saying that MH17 was shot down by a specific Russian missile launcher that was documented to be in eastern Ukraine at the time.

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The Safety Board in the Netherlands, where the flight originated, recently completed its investigation, saying the plane was most likely shot down by a Buk missile, originating from territory controlled by the Russian-backed separatists.

Dutch police are now conducting a criminal investigation into the attack, which may finally determine who fired the missile.

http://www.npr.org/2016/05/07/477168263/russian-military-involved-in-shooting-down-flight-mh17-researchers-say?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

Russophobia of course…

Yeah well said,I am half Polish half Lithuanian and it is so painful to read . But here is a free advice for Molnya gaze into a mirror, go out please ,meet some men ,drink some vodka ,try to relax ,maybe than you will stop to see Jewish /nazi/fascict/EU/USA conspiracy around every corner.Simply try to live outside your mental ghetto .
I know chance is slim but is worth trying …:)

Its those darn EU Jewish Nazi Fascists… always saying bad things about Russia…

This same guy will later call us all ignorant.

Coming from a guy who has no idea about the entire region, language, culture, history or its people.

If you have to start off a post with a lie then you might as well not finish.

You don’t speak the language you do not know a single ukrainian and the majority are not russophobic, majority are russians in the entire country not to mention that almost no one speaks ukrainian in the first place. It is a kleptocratic fascist jewish oligarchy controlled by US that is abusing nazis like they did through out history. They don’t care who they use, abuse or with whom they side as long it is anti-russian. They side even with russians to be anti-russian. The people feel very different except the loud minority of fascists who have been indoctrinated in this construct of “ukraine” which you western idiots do not even know what that word means. Most of you russophobes haven’t heared about that country before US did not stick its nose in buisness it does not have any buisness to be in. You americans can’t point even 10% of the countries on a map where your disgusting empire sticks its nose in and then coming to us and trying to tell us how we have to live. You are far away from home boy.

…and here is the evidence why.

“almost no one speaks Ukrainian in the first place”

Ukraine is still a bilingual country. But the Ukrainization phenomenon is not just anecdotal — survey data shows that, in the last decade, the country’s linguistic landscape has undergone a visible change. In 2005, 42 percent of Ukrainians claimed that they spoke mostly Ukrainian at home. By 2011, 53 percent said they spoke it in their everyday lives. Since most of them are perfectly fluent in Russian as well, the 11 percent upsurge, representing at least 5 million people, reflects the share of Ukrainian society that has switched from Russian to Ukrainian. The Euromaidan revolution and conflict with Russia accelerated that trend: a poll conducted in May 2015 shows that almost 60 percent of the population prefer to use Ukrainian in everyday communication.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/26/why-ukrainians-are-speaking-more-ukrainian/

The rest of this is just the usual paranoid rambling of the Russian media. How is it that someone who clearly thinks they “know something” about Ukraine doesn’t even know that most Ukrainians speak Ukrainian?

Spare me your response…

In all fairness, where I live, for every guy who has a problem with Russia/Putin I could find one or two having a problem with what the US are doing… What does it say? That the reality is “Americanophobic”?

Nah, it speaks more to issues in the Western press. Compare what you hear about Trump to what you hear about Putin. If you went by what shows up in the press you would think it was Trump, not Putin, that was running a repressive kleptocracy, murdering journalists/dissidents, and invading neighbors.

When push comes to shove the US, for all its weaknesses, isn’t going to invade you in the dead of the night, indignantly lie about it, and then later joke about it and declare it a fait accompli.

Many people said that is absolutely not possible, maybe not you or other but other did.

Um, like who? I get tired of people around here who claim to be arguing with someone but nobody can ever figure out who.

Even more worrisome was that the first ones that said that a stealth aircraft needed no support at all were the original proponent, both in the military than in the industrial complex, of the idea of stealth fighters.

You have no clue what you are talking about, none. Whether or not a stealth aircraft needs support will be mission dependent. It was always anticipated that stealth aircraft would operate with other support when warranted.

I was oversimplifing the procedure, so forgive me if I have gave you the false impression that it was a direct thing.
As amatter of fact such procedure implies the combined use of different radars each one taking care of just a portion of the engagement sequence while against conventional planes a simple radar, usually in X band) can take care of all of them.
The VHF radars would so take care of the first part of the acquisition sequence, looking throught the whole sky in Wide search mode, they will detect incoming aircraft and give an initial assestment of its own position and ABOVE ALL route and pass the information to the decimetrical and centimetrical that would search just that portion of sky using narrow o even a spot on search mode , using such modes resolution and the range increase dramatically as they concentrate their power beam in just a portion of sky in order to reduce the acquisition boxes after they would pass the obtained data to SAM batteries that would launch missiles.using their own radars to do mid course guidance, usually such radar would be positioned at a consistent distance one from the other and would so illuminate the targets from different directions.
Give a look to the document Ozair has send there is a good illustration of how the NEBO_M i.e. their latest operative air defense radar complex operate.

So again, you need to have a whole suite of radars up and running, and communicating with each other, just to have a chance of carrying out a successful attack against a stealth aircraft, and even in your ideal scenario the actual engagement radars and seekers will be badly degraded. (even once cued where to look their range and jamming resistance will be badly compromised)

What happens when the adversary starts throwing its own jamming against radars and datalinks? What happens when the sky is filled with decoys, false targets, and weapons of all types…

Nobody ever said it wasn’t possible to engage a stealth aircraft or that a stealth aircraft needed no support to go up against a comprehensive and state of the art air defense network. The point is that it is far far easier for a stealth aircraft to operate in that environment than it would be a 4th generation jet.