I’ve heard of ‘bottleglass’ lenses, but that’s ridiculous! I used to have a lens that took photos like that!!
Very true regarding the state of the transparencies, I saw the airframe very soon after it’s arrival at Duxford, and some of the gun turret transparencies had even been replaced by light blue painted sheets of aluminium…
However, asking how many Libs the US need is a bit like asking how many Spitfires WE need, and we all know there’s an outcry every time one of those goes off to pastures new… π
As for an operational type which I’d like to see imported, for me it’s a toss up between a FlugWerk 190 or a Stormbirds 262. I think the 262 wins it though…
Now that brings us to a new debate! Do replicas and reproductions count?
In my book, no they don’t as these are newly-constructed aircraft with all new components and not original operational aircraft with their original engines that have seen service. It’s a bit like the Vickers Vimy with RR Continental engines. Nice to see, but still a replica!
I would to see the J-32 Larsen that still fly’s in Sweden come over to the UK.
I cannot see any major issues with it flying here as its not as complex as the Sea Vixen and the CAA allow G-CVIX to fly.
A couple of times in this thread people have mentiond that the Shack cannot fly here due to the fact that a respar would be required.
Would it be possible to do a PA747 style respar I am talking from a technical point of view here as I understand the cost would be about Β£5 million. (Lotto funding time again maybe π )
No point importing a Lansen as no one else seems interested in the type – have you seen the one at Cranfield lately??
Albert,
Your mate is obviously visually impaired – IMHO. I had a fabulous day though the gate security to the aircraft park was very tight. Most folk seemed to be getting all the photographs they wanted. Perhaps some snappers think they are, as in Orwell’s materpiece 1984, more equal than others……………..!!!!!!!!!!! At least the dratted stepladders were not in evidence. Frankly the safety situation within the aircraft park at Woburn in the past has been less than satisfactory and if the CAA has indeed applied pressure for an improvement it is long overdue – same goes for the PFA Rally. If you only knew what the forward visibility is like taxying a taildragger you would be somewhat more cautious when props are turning.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
Yes, I’m sure you’re right! Not everyone is as safety concious as I am and I wasn’t there today, so could only go by what I was told. You will get idiots everywhere!
Crazymainer – Some in the U.K would argue that the B-24 sent to the U.K
from Lackland AFB is justified seeing as the U.S has two ex RAF India B-24’s
on display. Do people in the U.S really miss the Lackland machine as she looked pretty sad with silver windows sat outside. Come to Duxford sometime
and see her transformation into a princess!
Quite agree – all the transparencies were ‘blacked’ over and she was just baking in the Texas heat! How many Libs do they need in the US?
Thruxton Jackeroo in Canada ( ex G-APHZ)
Spot-on, C-FPHZ now!
A friend of mind went there today and said there was nothing new to be seen and that he was refused admission to the park, so spent the day dodging men in dayglo jackets to get his photos! Decided not to go this year and would prefer to look at my memories from Woburns past. Here’s one I took during a flypast over Woburn in 1987…..
…and one of Charles Masefield flying the DH 60 Cirrus Moth, G-EBLV, over Woburn House on the same day.
Yes, I would agree about Kermit Weeks Mosquito, Sunderland and his Lysander. Invariably we let our rare warbirds go to the USA, but they are not appreciated as much as here, as they are usually types that many Americans don’t know much about.
Believe the Mossie had delamination problems due to the heat and humidity in Florida.
We desperately need to see a Mossie restored to airworthiness again in UK!
i first went on a commercial flight in 1994 on a md83 alitalia from dussledorf – milan as i had to get tooth pulled out in german hospital i was living in sardinia at the time as my dad was in R.a.f and was based out there i had flown 5 times before from R.a.f. Brize Norton to R.a.f Decimumanu and back via R.a.f Brugen in germany always on a vc10. we checked in like usual but then we went into the departures area which i hadent done before as at r.a.f. bases theres a room with seats and a drink and food machine and then you go on the aircraft but this place had shops and everything we were called for the flight and we went to row 3 as we were in buisiness class the R.a.f paid for it. we had a nice lunch and the flight was smooth we landed at milan and were rushed to meridiana md83 waiting for us to go to cagliari. it was 7:40pm by the time we got to the a/c. we went to the back mof the a/c and up via the steps in the rear of the plane we took off at 8pm and had a pleasent flight i slept through most of it but awoke when we were decending we flew over the marshes in cagliari where all the flimingos were and landed at cagliari elmas airport at 10:25pm when we got off my dad ans sister where waiting for us and we headed off home they where good flights and good taster of commercial airlines π
The key to the left of the ‘?’ on your keyboard is a ‘full stop’ and to the left of that is a ‘comma’, just in case you don’t want us all to get breathless reading this!! :confused: Oh sorry, I forgot, they don’t teach punctuation in schools these days!
I first met Jeff when he and Dwaine Egli (?) were flying the B25 camera plane on the BofB film. He led this gaggle of a couple of He111, a dozen or so Buchons and up to ten or so Spits/Hurricanes up and down the East coast of UK, filming the ‘sky full of aircraft’ sequences. I was in that gaggle, great fun. We also did smaller sequences with the B25, and I particularly remember one which involved a tail chase of several Spitfires being filmed from the tail position. I was about no 3 or 4, with a couple behind me, and since Jeff was not shy about throwing his bomber about, the G forces built up along the line. I happened to notice the top surfaces of my wings were showing distinct wrinkling as things got more hectic; and hate to think what those behind me were feeling! No G meters on those old aircraft, and I suspect we were actually well within the limits, but I had not noticed it before.
Jeff was a larger than life character, an excellent pilot, and when I spent a couple of days with him some time later in Jersey on some film or other, excellent company. Unfortunately I lost touch with him when I got a proper job, and was very sad to read of his death some time later. It seems ironic that after all his escapades, and the exotic types he had flown, he should fall foul of a friendly old Aztec.
Which aircraft were you flying in the BofB Film, Tim? Any photos?
It gets worse, Albert…
…so if you liked being up close while they were landing, not any more?
Mind you the view is better from the hillside anyway.
Edit – oh and it appears you can’t join the club on the day any more, so no chance of access to the aircraft park if not already a member. Bizarre. :confused:
Looks like a digital Canon job + 100-400mm lens only, eh? Just the weather to worry about! Think I’ll give it a miss this year, like Steve suggests.
Thanks very much John – excellent! I think we would all like to be in your position. Luckily I have done my fair share of travelling to see aircraft…but now I’m married…again! When we lose some cherished aircraft to other shores, or even when they are lost in accidents, it makes you appreciate what you’ve seen and hopefully photographed all the more. I have an enormous slide collection and have memories of many aircraft no longer here in UK, for one reason or another. Please make contact via a PM when you next come over. I’ll try and find a pub with cold beer! π
Hi all
Surely the point is that both Winston and the Canberra have gone to a great home with a museum that can keep them flying for as long as possible and that the Seafire will also be up and flying – this way we all get to see more old aircraft flying – I can assure you that these aircraft are very much loved and appreciated here and serve as a memorial to the types service in war – Both types were used in anger by us. I was privalaged to actually fly FAC for the Aussie Canberras in Vietnam a couple of times and I get a bit emotional every time I see her fly here.
I am also a Seafire fan and I come to the UK as often as possible – I will gladly pay good money to see her fly.
Lastly at the risk of being boring as I have stated many times – don’t bemoan the UK losing aircraft as UK museums have a fair smattering of Australian machines, This is just normal movement and we should be glad all these machines find good homes with people who are prepared to look after them.
My two bob’s worth
Regards
John Parker
John,
The question was posed by a British enthusiast here in the UK. Regret we are not all like you and can afford to jet off all round the world to see warbirds. We know ‘our’ warbirds are being looked after in Aus, but that doesn’t stop us morning their loss away from our shows. Personally, as a Seafire is only a Spitfire with a hook (and we have loads flying here now) I would like to see the Meteor back, as we don’t have a single F.8 flying here now.
Looking at RobboΒ΄s pic of AR501 NN-D I was highly irritated – until I realised it is NN-A now… π
You can tell that by D-N-A testing!! π
So it looks like if we’re going to enjoy Woburn this year, we will need more co-operation from the Moth Club, the CAA and the weather?? The combination of all three could be disasterous!