The Shorts SC1 and the P1127 should go to Cosford along with other the experimentals, come to think of it the ‘Flying Bedstead’ too.
Regards,
John.
Quite agree John! I hate what they’ve done to the SC-1! As far as I know, the Science Museum and RAF Museum have never done any deals, but as both are Government owned perhaps an MP could help? I know that once the Science Museum get hold of something, it’s theirs for life!
Ok…….I don’t know the reason for the Hunter, it was done before I was a member……..the Dove however I did the work on myself with a couple of other members. The reason for the change in colour scheme for this aircraft is simple……..it was sponsored, by Dunlop! The airframe G-ALCU, as you rightly pointed out, was in diar need of a repaint and Dunlop, as you will know, had a DH Dove, registered G-ALVD back in the 50’s. Having had relations with Dunlop before, MAM was to repaint our Dove, into the markings of G-ALVD because Dunlop agreed to sponsor the repaint and kindly donated the funds to do it, an oppertunity not to be turned down by us.
A huge presentation was held after the completion of the Dove with Dunlop and the company managed to find some of the original crew who flew the original G-ALVD, who were overwhelmed by the Dove’s appearance. Overall, a complete success on the museums behalf and very good PR for us as we made the papers with the event.
The Dove’s spec. plaque states that the registration of the aircaft is not authentic, but does tell you what the aircraft is actually registered as.
As for the Saudi Lightning, I don’t know why the flag is not being painted on, but I do know that for whatever reason it is, it must be a valid reason for it not to be done 😉
I think I would make an exception for the Dove as at least the scheme is authentic, if not on that actual machine. The Saudi flag issue has been one of my bones of contention for a few years now. The official MAM response is “that it’s a religious symbol and they don’t want to upset the Saudis by painted it on”. Poppycock! If I wanted to paint a Saudi flag on anything I owned I would go ahead and do it! Does the IWM have to have ‘special permission’ for its Strikemaster to wear the flag on the tail – no! Do Saudi World Cup supporters have to have special permission to wave one at a match – no! The museum says “it has written to the Saudi Embassy for permission to paint it on, but they didn’t reply”. Why, because they are not interested?
Whilst discussing NF.14 WS838 can anyone tell me if the photo on the front cover of the new Meteor book by Phil Butler & Tony Buttler is WS838? I can’t afford to buy it yet 🙁 and I’ve had a magnifying glass on the ad in the mags but can’t quite make it out. Which other NF.14s wore an all-yellow scheme?
Roger Smith.
Yes it is Roger, taken during the same sortie as the one I have posted on this thread.
….that’s a hell of a lot of effort to go to just to photograph a Noddy train!! :diablo:
Here we go again!!!!
Sorry Rob, I try to remain positive and will support anyone that restores an aircraft authentically, but there are exceptions!
I saw all these there last year. The collection at Sintra is not visible from the road but is inside the base. If you go to the tourist office in Sintra, they will telephone the base and arrange for someone to meet you at the gate and escort you round. At some time in the future, there are plans to merge the collections at Sintra, Alverca and Montijo into a Portuguese Aviation Museum at Sintra and that is where airframes are gradually being transferred, but it will take a long time. You will find my photos from this visit on this website:
Frankly, I dont really care what colour they are painted, as long as they are being preserved,
Bruce
I do! I think if you’re going to put time, effort and money into preserving an aircraft then the least you can do is research the actual machine and restore it to look how it was when in service. Meteor WS838 is a prime example of those three factors being brought together to restore it to the 64 Squadron colours that actual machine wore when in ervice at Duxford. Rob has already related why it is difficult to maintain the yellow scheme and Stuart has kindly related the technical qualities of applying and maintaining such a colour.
The colours and markings, as far as I can see are 100% authentic so we should all be pleased to see it like this. Having said that, I am not happy about the Danish Hunter being painted in “Black Arrows” colours (it’s not even an F.6! 🙁 or the Dove being painted as ‘G-ALVD’ when it should be G-ALCU in CAA colours. Finally, the reasons that MAM give for not painting the Saudi flag on the tail of their Lightning are unacceptable! 🙁
WOW!.. I had no idea… not sure which got me drooling more… the Kestrel
JJ
That’s not a ”Kestrel’ but the prototype Hawker P.1127. The Kestrel was a development without nose probe, different wing shape and larger tailplanes, of which six were used by the Tripartite Evaluation Squadron in 1964.
Albert – I hope she goes back in those colours soon ! Arguably one of the nicest looking schemes on a Meteor.
As Rob said, they had difficulty in maintaining that overall yellow finish and if the 64 Squadron camo scheme is the actual scheme that aircraft wore, then that’s fine by me. 😉
Does anyone know if the Javelin will have squadron markings added, or is that IT? 🙁
Looks like we’ve cracked it…….shhh, don’t wake James up?
On reflection 😎 I would have to agree that it could be the Meteor F.8, knowing that JDK has(or is?) in Oz, but I can’t believe the silver it is painted in is THAT shiny!
Here is WS838 when with RAE Bedford in 1971. Did she actually serve with 64 Squadron, or was this just a nice scheme that you chose?
I’ll go for an F-86 Sabre, possibly in Canada? Cummon James, show us a bit more than just a few panels?
Sea Hawk looks very nice, but just one query? Didn’t they paint the Suez stripes with GOLDEN yellow and not LEMON yellow paint?