Request from Worthyone
They have performed poorly have they, please…explain…..

Anyway would Russian special forces not qualify as part of the Russian military. This thread is titled Putin orders Russian special forces into Iraq.

As to my suggestion that the Russians lack the skill and the weapons mix necessary, it was made in the context of the situation in Iraq where the Russians have had no combat or special ops experience and selling weapons decades ago dosn’t qualify.

Given the experience the U.S. and the UK has had in tracking down and killing or capturing specific terrorist leadership or groups, it takes more than just sending in teams with small arms. It would require some kind of base from which to operate, supplies, air and ground transport, surveilance capabilities (UAVs?), cooperation from the new Iraq government, local knowledge and contacts that are willing to help, local intel, language skills, etc, and a lot of time. It would be a major enterprise to track down and kill even one small terrorist group independent from the coalition forces that have all the experience. Iraq is a big place. Their best bet would be to work directly with U.S./U.K. forces and that would require a level of cooperation, learning and humility I suspect the Russians don’t have.

Sauron

Interesting. I was asked to supply examples where the Russian military has proven less than successful. I provided two examples that are obvious.

The reply? Oh they are not valid examples for the following reasons/excuses as if stating them means the failures didn’t actually occur in the first place. :confused:

Sauron

A-2-S

Why do we need to go down the conspiracy route?

Outline what you think the Russians would need to pull it off – manpower, vehicles, aircraft, weapons, intel, cooperation ,etc.

Sauron

They have performed poorly have they, please…explain…..

The Russian military was run out of Afganistan by 19th century tribesmen.

The Russian military didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory in Chechnya. Grozny for example where it appearently forgot everything it learned in WW11 about street fighting.

I am sure the list could be expanded.

It would be interesting to see what resources they could bring together in Iraq. It would have to be more than a few guys in black outfits with no InTel, air support, etc and no experience working with the locals not to mention the new Iraq government.

Sauron

One can only speculate what a Russian “search and destroy” mission might look like in Iraq. Also I don’t think we could rule out a rescue mission at the end of it based on how poorly the Russian military has performed in the last few decades. :rolleyes:

Sauron

Being tough is one thing but the Russians have proven they are incapable of an effective responce to situations like the one in hall in Moscow and the school. Many died as a result of blunders on the part of the Russian military. Lets face it thay lack skill and the weapons mix to do anything effective on their own.

Sauron

And anyone can make statements about future geopolitics. :rolleyes:

Sauron

I agree the anouncement was a bit of a let down. It would seem that the only aircraft to meet the spec would be the CH-47F Chinook and the time window for any serious competitor is short. Hopefully this government will not simply make an anoucement and then take no action like the former one did. Great if we can spend the money in NA.

Lets keep our fingers crossed for the C-17/C-130.

I can’t understand given the history that we had with the DH STOL line, that the ‘Bomber’ couldn’t come up with an updated Buffalo/Dash8 type design for the search/rescue role or as Shadow has already suggested a few more C-130’s.

Sauron