So yes Typhoon AESA have been considered in phase II, and yes, the Rafale with Pesa radar beat the Typhoon with his ‘vastly superior AESA’ in AtoA.

I would expect that for the phase 2 Swiss eval both Rafale and Typhoon would be presented with AESA. The phase 2 was to assess the 2015 versions of all a/c.

Was Rafale not scheduled to fly with AESA in 2015 in 2009? (don’t know if the second half of that sentence made sense but you understand what I’m trying to say!)

Jackonicko,

why do you think Typhoon has good chances in Malaysia?

In the past they have often “shadowed” India, by. e.g buying the SU-30.

If the leaks from the Swiss trial is still somewhat relevant then Rafale has an edge in overall maturity. And if the leaks from India are correct then the Rafale price is lower although that needs to be confirmed.

Anyway, perhaps India would be happy to share their analysis with Malaysia like they did with Brazil.

How is the Typhoon anti-shipping capabilities these days, by the way?

quote from the evaluation report:

No mention of the captor at all, so I guess it’s not that outstanding after all.

Nic

AFAIK the Swiss focus mainly on WVR, so perhaps range is not that important to them. If that’s the case then the Rafale radar would not get minus points for it’s shorter range, and the Typhoon radar would not get plus points for it’s longer range…

OTOH the PESA was praised since it is probably a good thing if you don’t need the range.

It is clear that the rafale is cheaper and by a good margin. No need to argue about that. Look at rafale offer in India and switzerland. It was significantly cheaper. It is also cheaper to run as indian stated themselves.

For India yes it seems cheaper.

Do you have any sources that says Rafale was cheaper than Typhoon in Switzerland? The Defence minister recently said both were roughly 1 billion CHF more expensive than Gripen; however he did not indicate which was cheaper of the two, just that they were in the same price range.

The numbers are correct, in case you want to calculate range.
And yes, it can’t simultaneously carry more bombs while at the same time having max fuel.
In short, Gripen out-ranges F-18 with lighter payloads, while F-18 out-ranges gripen with max payload,
but gripen can still carry yet another bomb for God knows what purpose.

I believe Gripen should be able to take off with half-empty tanks and a full bomb load and then fill the tanks in the air thereby circumventing the MTOW threshold?

Samuel Gunter: Is the discussion about the performance of the Gripen for you a surprise?

Peter Merz: That it is in defense deals, and especially in aircraft purchases to discussions and Störfeuern is not surprising to me. Where there’s a lot of money, too many interest groups have their hands in the game. On the other hand I am surprised and disappointed that confidential reports are the way to the public.

If the decision and the discussion directly or indirectly impact on Meiringen?

The Federal Council and Parliament are expected to decide this year whether and when a new aircraft will be purchased. By the end of year is also the question of deployment of military resources – including the Air Force funds – to be clarified. So that way all decisions have an impact on the airfield of Meiringen.

Is the current debate those who oppose a new Jets most lift?

I do not hope and believe that a majority of the population will support the purchase of the Gripen, because she knows how important and indispensable an air umbrella for Switzerland’s security in any position.

How do you rate the three pilot jets evaluated in comparison?

As a evaluation pilot of the three aircraft will not and I am not in the public about the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates express. It’s about personal privacy and our country has committed against the manufacturers and the Air Force to maintain confidentiality. I assure you, however, that the evaluation was carried out very serious and professional. I stand fully behind the evaluation and data behind the decision of the Bundesrat, that the Gripen fighter jet is the right for Switzerland.

Google translated from: http://www.jungfrauzeitung.ch/artikel/117062/

I think it is becoming harder and harder to claim that this process has been manipulated to favor Gripen — if so, a large number of people are participating in this “conspiracy”….

You were from 2007 to 2010 project manager of aviation for the Evaluation Partial Tiger Replacement (TTE). So you’re the fighter jet Gripen C / D flying, how was that?

It was very interesting and instructive. We are all three candidates, so the Rafale from France, the Euro Fighter from Germany and even the Gripen of Sweden flown for testing. In each case, all the pilots were flying on airplanes all the same tasks, and so the fighter jets could be compared uniformly. We tried to provide the most accurate and reliable assessment.

Can you stand as an expert in the Air Force after the final round for the Gripen, Type E/F?

Yes, 100 percent. It meet all three tested types identified by the military requirements of Switzerland. It depends on what you need and how much you are willing to pay. There are Ferraris, who can not drive off-road, and trucks that are just too slow. The Audi quattro is fast and affordable. And in this case even more money for the army, which indeed still waiting on new purchases. The Gripen can be for the air policing and air defense used in all weather conditions. He can fight ground targets and be used as a scout. The Gripen C / D is robust, is for relatively low operating costs and has proven itself in the Swedish Air Force and the best international standards.

Could you discuss the decision with Federal Councillor Ueli Maurer?

Yes, I think it’s good that Ueli Maurer will consult with various experts. Decisions and the political responsibility but must ultimately own the Federal Council.

Can you understand that there is now a media circus is coming?

Partly. There are some who doubt whether everything is up politically and technically correct. Since I can only say that I am fully committed, even though I am no longer responsible. I put my hand into the fire, that’s what I’m headed and what we did, was made possible. The three candidate countries have confirmed that we have the most challenging but also a fair evaluation conducted. The more it is now a mess, that recently reached an interim report to the public. This interim report is taken out of context and does not show the context of the overall evaluation. Finally, we were obliged to discretion. As someone has acted criminally. The report is subject to military Vertaulichkeit.

Why are these reports are subject to the confidentiality level?

The present provider fillet pieces on their aircraft. You must disclose all the technology behind it, the used system services and computer programs, everything. Since it is understandable that these secret data should be treated as confidential. There are trade secrets as elsewhere. However, the standstill agreement and promise was unfortunately injured, has been abused. This confidence in Switzerland has been weakened even more, as with the banks. That annoys me. Which is to say, that this is an early 2008 report concerns that arose before the first full report.

Switzerland is not buying now, but the aircraft that are flown. What’s the difference?

There are four points that have been improved. These include, first, a more powerful engine, the 33-percent more power than that of C / D. The plane was modified so that it can accommodate a larger tank. In addition, 46 percent more kerosene to be carried in the aircraft. It has two other Waffenaufhängestationen. Fourth, a very modern radar was installed, the Aesa radar. This radar does not work mechanically, but with an active electronic beam steering.

But now, the new model, the Gripen E / F, never flown for testing. Switzerland bought the cat in the bag?

We have tested the old model is very intense. We were in the valuation of improvements very cautious and evaluated with a restrictive rating. In addition, the new systems are known, one must first invent anything new. Knowing the radar. Behind a large tank or behind the additional Waffenaufhängestationen is not a new technology, but more range and longer duration. Even the new engine is already used in other aircraft, for example, the new F / A 18 E / F (Super Hornet) were tested.

Now, if the new model would not match but the ideas of Switzerland, could be put on the brakes?

Saab would have to stand straight up what is promised is actually implemented.

Why the new model has never flown for testing?

At the time of evaluation, there was no point in flying to the technology demonstrator already. Then the whole lengthy evaluation work had begun again from scratch. It was decided from the beginning that we fly the then-current models, which are in the Air Force of the candidates in action. If we later want to fly the newer version of the Gripen, we would have to fly the aircraft of the revised French and the Germans. The decision in favor of the Gripen E / F, other factors were crucial, as the cost of maintenance, cost, operating costs, training, exchange, cooperation between the countries. So, factors not related directly to the flying performance.

When a Swiss pilot, flying its first Gripen E / F?

At least in the first week of May this year, a test pilot of an Air Force pilot and Armasuisse the new Gripen E / F (technology demonstrator) as two-seaters.

Google translated from: http://www.onz.ch/artikel/112298/

A lot of interesting information…!

About Mr. Schmid:

Res Schmid, born 1958, lives with his wife in Emmetten. He is the father of two grown children. In 1979 he graduated from the military as a military pilot training and became a commercial pilot in the squadron supervision. Schmid was one of the 1981 Season service on Tiger F-5, and from 1984 on Mirage III. From 1984 to 1986 he was a member of the patrol Suisse. He was project pilot on the F / A 18 and later head of the delegation F/A-18-Projektteams system verification, and flight tests in the United States. From 2004 to 2010 was chief test pilot of the Schmid Armasuisse (testing and procurement organization for new military equipment). He listened to as a test pilot when he was Nidwaldner Government. He served as chief test pilot and project manager of aviation for the Evaluation Partial Tiger Replacement (TTE) from 2007 to 2010. Today, Col. Res Schmid, 20 percent by the Federal Department of Defence, Civil Protection and Sports (VBS) employed. There he worked as an expert for the Air Force, aerospace and security policy. 80 percent of the SVP politician operates as a council, as educational director of the Canton of Nidwalden.

Considering the neighbours of Switzerland I would suggest they would need a 5. gen VLO fighter after 2025.

They should go for NG, pray that Brazil does the same, and develop a 5. gen VLO fighter with Sweden and Brazil.

Consider the following scenarios:

The Euro zone collapses; the European Union collapses, some of the Swiss neighbours return to old and dark sins.

Scenario 1: It’s 2025 and Sarko the 2nd decides to strengthen his French Franc by emptying the Swiss banks. The Kill switch in the Swiss Rafale makes the invasion somewhat easier…

Scenario 2: It’s 2025 and Silvio the 2nd needs to strengthen his Lira. The kill switch in the Swiss Typhoons makes the invasion somewhat easier…

Scenario 3: It’s 2025 and Silvio the 2nd needs to strengthen his Lira. The Italian F-35 has an easy match against a handful of Swiss Rafale…

In other words: Switzerland needs to develop her own 5. gen VLO with countries that will not be in a position to invade her 😉