That’s being overly simplistic as it does not take into account LPI modes or “why” the radar was used in the first place. For an “information sponge” like the F-22/35, the radar may only ever be used to get a precise range for a track that was originally created using the ESM, EOTS, etc and would only radiate for an extremely brief period of time. There are plenty of RedAir pilots that will talk about going against the F-22 and never getting any hint on their ESM that the F-22 was targeting them. Keep in mind that the F-22 does not have an IRST so the only way to get an accurate range is to use it’s radar.

F-35 and F-22 are 5. gen and thus not part of this discussion (see first post that specified 4.5 gen… :))

India: Rafale and Typhoon met MMRCA requirements (Rafale chosen)

Switzerland: According to leaked reports Rafale scored overall higher than Typhoon and Gripen (however Gripen was chosen mainly due to lower price)

Brazil: Gripen picked over Rafale and SH.

Singapore: Rafale and F-15 short-listed (Typhoon dropped); F-15 was chosen over Rafale.

South Korea: F-15 was selected over Rafale (the French protested: “Rafale won this evaluation but will not be awarded this contract,” Robins said by telephone from Paris.)

Overall the Rafale is an amazing platform. Whether it is “better than” the SH, Typhoon or even the F-15 depends on specific requirements, as demonstrated in several evals.

F-16E and Gripen E are are smaller, lighter and not quite in the same league as the aforementioned fighters.

Typhoon; as demonstrated repeatedly it has a huge potential…

Edit:

Reacting to the the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter being unveiled earlier his week, the Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief Western Air Command, Air Marshal SB Deo, said that it was not a cause for concern and that Rafael aircraft being inducted by India also had stealth features.*On a visit to the Ambala air base, Air Marshal Deo said that the Indian government is also seized of the importance of acquiring fighter aircraft with stealth features and this is why the Rafale aircraft being acquired from France has some special stealth features. “The radial cross section of the aircraft is significantly smaller for an aircraft of that size. There are many other features too which I would not like to disclose at this stage,” he said.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/china-j20-stealth-fighter-rafale-indian-air-force-3737350/

Major Morten “Dolby” Hanche says he was a little frustrated when he got the invitation to talk about the F-35s air-to-air capability under air power seminar second day. There should be no doubt about aircraft’s capabilities in this area at this time, says Hanche.

Brigadier Karsten Hazel Heckl from US Marine Corps could in his speech earlier in the day refer to including exercise Red Flag where the F-35 in aerial combat had 15 nedskytninger for each downed F-35. 15 to 1! There are formidable. And just at the beginning of concept development.

google translated from: http://www.nof.no/arkiv/–Dere-ma-begynne-a-tro-pa-oss-

From this perspective one can argue that it would seem rather silly to purchase the SH instead of the F-35C… On the other hand, if a mission can be completed successfully with the SH, it means that the F-35C will not able to do it better, so in the end it remains a question of what missions and mission requirements.

Norwegian Army to get air defence built on NASAMS (currently only the Air Force operates NASAMS in Norway).

The Army will get the mobile version of course, and it will be a mix of AMRAAM based and IRIS-T based:

https://www.tu.no/artikler/for-forste-gang-pa-15-ar-kan-haeren-selv-beskytte-seg-mot-luftangrep/376156

Is that your suggestion? It wasn’t mine.

what is your suggestion?

USN make carrier aviation look so easy…:cool:

As opposed to — what? French carrier aviation?

A search team has retrieved the cockpit voice recorder of the Swedish-made Gripen JAS 39C that crashed and exploded during a Children’s Day air show in Songkhla’s Hat Yai district.

Full story: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1181321/gripen-cockpit-voice-recorder-found.