I am still a bit puzzled that the USN is planning to have the IOC so much later than the other two — AFAIK also the USN is getting a bit concerned, having an increasing number of rather worn-out Hornets that urgently needs replacing. If the F-35 is coming along nicely now, why don’t they go for an IOC a bit sooner?
Gripen E w. AESA, IFF etc.
https://twitter.com/jrvianney/status/763745235998498816?lang=en
Dogfight! F-16V Viper versus J-39E Gripen: Who Wins?
The F-16V is the clear winner here, because it exists and flies today. It is the most combat proven design in the history of fourth generation multi-role fighter airpower, and it is actual flying and being tested now. I vote for IT as the obvious winner of the F-16V versus J-39E mock-fight.
However, (as a former F-16 operator, this part pains me to say) that if the J-39E becomes a reality, and all the discussed items become real too, IT will be the clear winner. The lower RCS design, the IRSTS, and the higher thrust-to-weight ratio give the J-39E the edge for the top spot on the fourth generation multi-role fighter podium. It will be one highly capable and extremely difficult unicorn to defeat by any capable adversary!
Full story: https://fightersweep.com/6024/dogfight-f-16v-viper-versus-j-39e-gripen/
LOL!
WASHINGTON — The head of Air Combat Command wants to see the US Air Force build up its inventory of F-35s quicker than planned, but its civilian head signaled Wednesday that it might not be feasible in the current fiscal climate.
Speaking to the press on Tuesday, Gen. Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle said he was concerned about the service’s current F-35 buy rate, which hovers in the 40s until fiscal 2021 when that number jumps up to 60. Carlisle stated he would like the Air Force to buy at least 60 aircraft per year in the near term to replace legacy aircraft that is aging out.
But in an interview with Defense News and sister publication Air Force Times, Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James said boosting the number of active-duty airmen is currently a bigger priority than ramping up the F-35 buy.
So price may remain a main challenge for the F-35 for still some time it seems.
If MOD is looking for a single engine aircraft to be built in numbers , Would F-16 or Gripen would be a better choice in terms of capability it offers ?
I would think they are roughly in the same ballpark capability-wise — F-16 is larger and can carry more than the Gripen E. One important thing for such (non-stealthy) a/c is the quality of the EWS — and we simply don’t know which one is “better”, that’s highly classified. Saab’s EWS was praised and scored quite well on the Swiss eval; since then they have switched to GaN AESA and much faster computers, allowing for significant improvements.
The US EW stuff is of course cutting-edge however a question remains whether the Americans really will export the best they’ve got to India. Some people will doubt that. However even the second-best from the US is of course still very good.
Sensor-wise; Saab is offering GaN AESA which seems very attractive on such a small fighter. Skyward-G is considered pretty good, as is the RWR system. No doubt the F-16 block 70 will also be offered with good sensors, probably with similar performance (probably not GaN AESA, but perhaps an AESA with more elements that could compensate).
I guess politics will decide, and F-16 then seems the obvious winner in India.
there are probably several mistake in there — since when did the Typhoon fly with an AESA?
And SH does have reduced RCS.
Why does he mention the Rafale B and not the C? (he mentions the SH E and not the F).
Gripen JAS29?
etc.
However the main conclusion is not impacted: that the F-35 will be a very difficult opponent in a2a, second only to the F-22 IMHO.
However one point missed by the author is that the Rafale (and probably also the Typhoon, after some upgrades) will remain a very tough opponent for any non-Western a/c for quite some time to come. Rafale no doubt would wipe the floor with any existing Russian fighter, especially after Meteor integration.
I would much rather be in a Rafale than an F-15. But then again I would rather be in an F-35 than a Rafale.
The only reason Rafale Deal is getting delayed is because MOD wants to save every penny in the negotiations that they can save and none other than Parikkar has said no that http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-i-am-a-tough-negotiator-let-me-save-money-for-nation-manohar-parrikar-on-rafale-deal-2185763 , he mentioned something like saving even 1 % will save many crores.
Since MOD is in Zeal to save every penny and pound and Dassault wanting to make sure it makes as much more it can from this deal , the negotiation has been dragging for months and years now.
In the end Parrikar would also make a political statement with saving every money he can by blaming the congress and stating how he got the best deal , Indeed BJP in May went on and stated how they saved 21 thousand crore in re-negotiation hitting the congress http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-rafale-deal-manohar-parrikar-contradicts-celebratory-tweet-from-bjp-says-pact-not-finalised-yet-2204555
If price was the only issue why did they wait until now to sign the IGA?
NEW DELHI — India and France move closer to concluding a Rafale fighter-jet deal, estimated at around $9 billion, as the two countries have agreed to sign an inter-governmental agreement (IGA), which was one of the obstacles towards an eventual sale.
Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar told parliament Aug. 2 in a written reply that an agreement has been reached to sign the IGA.
wow, are they really going through with this?
At this stage, I am somewhat puzzled they don’t buy 36 F-35A instead? Should be roughly the same price and more capable. Or are they still concerned about potential lack of support from the US in the future?
nice write-up of the status of the F-35:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-declares-f-35a-ready-for-limited-combat-428138/
Lots of good news, the F-35 is becoming rapidly very lethal.
As I have said before; the problem with the program is not any weaknesses of the technical capabilities of the F-35; the issue has more been with the program itself, and the delays and the costs.
If anything the plane is probably “too capable” at this point in time (i.e. it’s overkill). Why is that a problem? Because some of the money spent on the F-35 could have been better spent elsewhere.
The other problem with such long development timelines is that there is a risk that what you get in the end may not meet the customer’s requirements in the near future since requirements change over time.
There are reasons why people (in particular in the USN) say that they do not want another “joint” program, and also that the 6.th generation cannot be a 25-30 year development program…
USAF and most other people will become happy in the not too distant future of course (once they get the birds).
The current variant Super Hornet technology is considerably more advanced than the 1980s vintage Hornet. In many respects the Super Hornet’s technology is closer to the F-35 than the F-18A; it is really more of an F-35 Lite than a ‘super’ Hornet.
As more becomes known about the software, it seems that the F-35 might not be fully operationally ready until Block 4 is implemented. This Block may also see some key hardware changes, such as bringing the Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) up to a suitable standard. Block 4 should be ready early next decade. Buying F-35s before then might mean expensive upgrades before they even enter delivery flight-test. Unfortunately for the F-35, buying later is always cheaper and always brings a better standard aircraft.
Enter stage left the shadow of the future. Air superiority is becoming contested again in both East Asia and Europe. As the RAND Corporation warns, “continuous improvements to Chinese air capabilities make it increasingly difficult for the United States to achieve air superiority within a politically and operationally effective time frame.” The Center for Strategic and International Studies, considering China’s full range of defence capabilities – including its rapidly advancing fighter fleet – observes: ” at the current rate of U.S. capability development, the balance of military power in the region is shifting against the United States.”
In this vein, the USAF in Europe commander recently noted: “The advantage that we had from the air, I can honestly say, is shrinking.… This is not just a Pacific problem. It’s as significant in Europe as it is anywhere else on the planet … I don’t think it’s controversial to say they’ve closed the gap in capability.
Most worryingly, USAF’s head office has determined that the “projected force structure in 2030 is not capable of fighting and winning against …potential adversary capabilities.” The growing fleets of F-35s in service with America and its allies seems inadequate to ensure air superiority beyond 2030. Future control of the air is in doubt.”
Another alternative is to buy say 30 Super Hornets now, retain 30 CF-18 Hornets, and wait until mid-next decade to decide what to do. By then America’s intentions concerning new air superiority systems will be clearer and perhaps – a big ‘perhaps’ – Canada could buy into a long-term robust solution. This offers at least a chance Canada may remain an ally important for more than just geographical proximity. If however this air superiority path does not eventuate, is unaffordable, or not releasable to close allies, by the mid-2020s better and cheaper F-35 versions will be available to round out Canada’s fighter force in terms of numbers. Importantly, also by then, the F-35s operating costs will finally be known, allowing a more accurate assessment of whether a mixed fleet really is more expensive than a single type one. It may not be.
Read more: http://navalinstitute.com.au/a-mixed-fighter-fleet-for-canada/
This echoes what I have myself been thinking — short-term the F-35 is definitely meeting the requirements (however so will the SH) however longer-term the F-35 may struggle (as will the SH).
Is the F-35 out of synch with the rest of the world?
An overkill today (had it been fully operational) and inadequate 15-20 years from now, shortly after being fully introduced?
Around the end of the year Saab expects to fly the new Gripen E for the first time.
Known to Saab as 39-8, the first aircraft is one of three pre-production test aircraft authorized by the Swedish government. While the first aircraft is to concentrate initially on aircraft systems and aerodynamics trials, the second aircraft, 39-9, is due to fly next year with some tactical systems installed. The third test aircraft is to join the test fleet in 2019 with a representative IOC (initial operating capability) fit and software load, known as MS (mission system) 21. Saab is also working on the follow-on MS22, which adds greater functionality.
Sweden faces the threat of a new generation of Russian aircraft and missiles in the Baltic. To maintain a credible counter the Gripen E introduces increased range and endurance, better communications and electronic warfare suite, AESA radar, longer-ranged and ‘smarter’ weapons, lower signature and impressive sensor fusion.
If it’s BVR I would expect no less than 8-0 score against the F-15, unless the F-35 has been given a substantial disadvantage in the training (see also F-22 scores in similar trainings).
Jakarta (ANTARA News) – multi-role fighter aircraft made in the Swedish Saab, JAS39 Gripen , has officially offered to the Indonesian government.
For Indonesia, he said, Saab opened the widest selection of desirable variants, whether JAS39 Gripen C / D or JAS39 Gripen NG (E / F), which was launched on May 18, 2016 and then in Linkoping, Sweden.
They are F-16 Viper (aka F-16 Block 60 Fighting Falcon ) Lockheed Martin, United States, Sukhoi Su-35 (KnAAPO, Russia), Eurofighter Typhoon (Airbus Military, Airbus consortium), and JAS39 Gripen C / D and JAS39 now Gripen NG (E / F) (Saab, Sweden).
Unlike the others, Saab ensures single-engine fighter planes multirole (interceptors, ground attack, and observation-control fighter) can be landed in the Mother Earth just 12 months after the contract is signed for sure.
Google translated from: http://www.antaranews.com/berita/570205/saab-swedia-resmi-tawarkan-jas39-gripen-kepada-indonesia
- General Electric F414-GE-39E engine.
- Selex Skyward-G IRST.
- Selex ES-05 Raven AESA radar.
- Two new fuselage pylon stations, left and right of centerline.
- Mil Std 1760E class II interface to all pylons.
- Gen4 Litening laser designator pod (LDP) plus RecceLite.
- Crypto, jam-resistant ‘fighter link’.
- Reduced radar cross-section (RCS) — included as a contractual obligation.
- New electronic warfare (EW) systems.
- Missile approach warning system (MAWS) sensors linked to automatic chaff/flare launchers.
- New mission software standards: MS21 and MS22
So it seems they have reduced RCS further on the E/F. Also interesting to note that Gen4 Litening will be integrated, a pretty advanced piece of equipment (and probably one of the reasons why the Danish F-16 performed to “well” in the Danish F-35 eval compared to the SH and Typhoon)
Read more: http://www.combataircraft.net/2016/06/27/gripen-e-what-is-the-smart-fighter/