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  • in reply to: Su-35 versus F-35 in command sim #2193229
    Loke
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    :jaw drops:

    So SAAB is claiming a effective kill ratio of 2.56-1 for the Gripen E against F-35A!! [1.6-1 (Gripen E vs SU-35) x 1.6-1 (Su-35 v F-35)].

    Lets see if Finland buys that.

    I never understood what the “1:6 to 1” meant; 0.16 to 1? or is it a typo and it should read “1.6 to 1” or perhaps even “6 to 1”?? I have no idea. In any case Saab stopped talking about that simulation pretty quickly, for whatever reason. I think they made some very specific assumptions that did not benefit the F-35 at all…

    Also, I don’t think you can use the two separate simulations to “guess” how Gripen E would fare against the F-35, that seems rather illogical to me.

    Before Saab stopped talking about it I think I read somewhere that they said something like “it was really a Meteor simulation” thus presumably any advanced Western 4.5 gen fighter having the Meteor in such simulations would do quite well against the Su-35. The point they should have stressed should have been “why buy a Rafale or Typhoon when a meteor-equipped Gripen can do the same” but instead they fell for the temptation to have a dig at the F-35.

    Anyway, this is now history and not talked about anymore at Saab…

    Loke
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    Although their “analysis” seems to be not much rooted in reality I think they have at least one thing right; the F-35 have too short legs for operating efficiently in the asia-pacific. It does not help to say “well the a/c it’s replacing have even shorter legs” (as F-35 fanboys tend to do).

    For the Asia-pacific they should have developed something that was somewhat bigger and with even longer range. If it was bigger it could probably also have fitted more stuff internally, which I think also the asia-pacific scenarios could benefit from.

    However for most other places and scenarios the F-35 is more than adequate for the next 50 years or so (assuming it becomes cheap enough to be bought and operated in sufficient quantities, that’s the other big question mark).

    The rest is mainly noise as far as I can see.

    in reply to: Su-35 versus F-35 in command sim #2193267
    Loke
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    in reply to: Su-35 versus F-35 in command sim #2193283
    Loke
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    Some things I found odd

    The gunpod is primarily for A2G and is certainly not “standard F-35B LO air superiority load-out”. Given that, how did the gunpod affect maneuverability and detection range?

    Published info from the mfg says <=35km for detection range, let alone identifying it as a F-35. No way in hell you ID it at 76nm (140km) which is greater than 4x the listed detection range.

    Forget tracking it till you get to 20km thanks to your short ranged laser rangefinder.

    In the same spirit as above, forget an IRST at 96nm. They could do it safely with radar & ESW at that range however.

    Lastly, it seemed to not treat the F-35’s LPI radar any differently than the SU-35’s and did not talk about the F-35’s jamming capability at all.

    OLS IRST info here –> https://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2013/12/28/ols-35-irst/

    So you found all those things “odd” but not this one?

    Instantly the F-35s’ EW suites classify the bandits as Su-35s and tags them as hostile from around 350 nautical miles away 

    Pretty amazing to not only detect but also classify the Su-35 350 nautical miles away! Seems that in addition to the amazing F-35 sensors the Russians are clueless when it comes to controlling their EM emissions from their latest and greatest fighter…

    Loke
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    Loke
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    http://nsnetwork.org/cms/assets/uploads/2015/08/F-35_FINAL.pdf

    In this paper, we assess the capabilities of the F-35 and show how the aircraft is
    mismatched to meet emerging threats. Considered alongside the exorbitant cost of the
    program, this capability mismatch entails that it would be unsound to maintain a fullscale
    commitment to the F-35 program and that alternatives to the full program should
    be studied and, ultimately, selected.

    What!???

    We would especially like to thank David Axe, Winslow Wheeler, Mandy
    Smithberger, Pierre Sprey, Larry Korb, Kate Blakeley, and Bill Hartung for reviewing drafts of
    the paper and providing valuable feedback that immensely benefited this work.

    ah, that explains it… 🙂

    Edit: many gems here, for instance:

    Thus, the F-35 will find itself outmaneuvered, outgunned, out of range, and visible to
    enemy sensors. Going forward, full investment in the F-35 would be to place a bad
    trillion-dollar bet on the future of airpower based on flawed assumptions and an
    underperforming aircraft. To avoid such a catastrophic outcome, Congress and DOD
    should begin the process of considering alternatives to a large-scale commitment to the
    F-35. Staying the present course may needlessly gamble away a sizable margin of
    American airpower at great expense and unnecessary risk to American lives.

    in reply to: Finland Air Force #2193573
    Loke
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    Swiss could have bought the Rafale, the thing is a politician decided to go for the cheapest solution (considered insufficient by those who did the test) , and the voters, in the end decided to go for no solution at all for now.. slight difference

    in a few years from now, they’ll have to look again as they Hornets will start to show their age.. at that point, what will they choose is anybody’s guess

    No, they could not have bought the Rafale — Switzerland is quite different from your typical customer in the ME. Switzerland is a democracy.

    Least likely to win in Finland are:

    1. Typhoon (more expensive than Rafale!)
    2. Rafale
    3. SH

    Most likely to win are:

    1. F-35
    2. Gripen E
    3. SH

    sorted according to the order of likelihood.

    in reply to: Finland Air Force #2193579
    Loke
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    As I stated in my previous post, I see only two real competitors for the HX fighter program; the SAAB JAS 39E/F Gripen and the Lockheed Martin F-35A(C?) Lightning II.

    https://corporalfrisk.wordpress.com/2015/02/09/replacing-the-capabilities-of-the-f-18cd-hornet-the-major-candidates/

    in reply to: Finland Air Force #2193588
    Loke
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    F-35 ? Super Hornet ?
    What happened since April ?
    http://airheadsfly.com/2015/04/06/finnish-hornets-to-be-replaced-by-gripen-or-rafale/

    So he had a nice flight, good for him!

    “Scandinavian sources…” speaking with a French accent perhaps…? 🙂

    The Swiss air force preferred Rafale, however they could not afford it and were forced to pick Gripen. If Switzerland (having a much bigger and stronger economy than Finland) cannot afford 22 Rafale, what makes you think Finland can afford 55-60 Rafale!?

    Even India, the world’s biggest weapons importer, could not afford more than 36 Rafale (to be confirmed; negotiations not completed yet)

    in reply to: Finland Air Force #2193659
    Loke
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    normally intel would pick up a build-up and the air force would disperse before hostilities break out, as a standard procedure.

    Is the Finnish air force dispersed now?

    There is currently a build-up happening. Tension has been high for quite some time, with simulated attacks on Sweden and the Baltics, etc.

    Russia also has intel on what’s happening in Finland.

    One way to do it could be to “increase the heat” to a level where the Finnish do disperse their planes. Now, for how long will they stay dispersed? What are the costs? Imagine that after some months Russia turn down the heat; at a certain threshold Finland will let down the guard, reduce the level of alertness, and send the planes home.

    That’s when a strike may happen. Or it may not.

    Finland is a small country, has a border with Russia, and the Russkies will know whether the a/c are dispersed or not. They will know when the a/c go home, and they will know when to surprise…

    NATO is halving the number of fighters for QRA in the baltics:

    “Recently there were no airspace violations. Russian aircraft were escorted many times but we avoided violations. Taking that into account, the decision was made based on a rational use of resources.”

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/europe/2015/08/04/nato-halves-baltic-air-policing-mission/31139949/

    in reply to: Finland Air Force #2193667
    Loke
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    Dunno for RFP, but RFI was sent months ago, but sshhhhh……….

    What, a Rafale fanboy in this thread!? 🙂

    This is really between the F-35, SH/Growler, and Gripen E… is Dassault going to bother participate?

    Has the Finnish Air Force ever used any French a/c?

    in reply to: Build a 6th generation fighter. go #2193831
    Loke
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    a plane marginally bigger (heavier) than the F-22 with variable geometry wings, all-aspect broadband radar stealth (flying wing).

    Active IR stealth; an active cooling system coupled to sensors that allows the system to keep the skin close to air temperature.

    Visual stealth: Metamaterials are used in the skin, can be programmed to change color in a fraction of a second (chameleon-skin); sensors detect the colors of the surroundings and match automatically.

    At low speeds the wing is fully extended, and the plane is operating in “stealth mode”; at low speeds the IR stealth is highly effective. Range is highly impressive due to a combination of a light-weight airframe with big wing-span and the 6. gen engine that allows optimal efficiency at low speed.

    At high speeds the wing is reduced. The variable-cycle engine allows supercruise at Mach 2.0. IR stealth is less effective at high speed however you can’t have it all.

    All the usual stuff; GaN AESA (conformal), EODAS operating in 3-4 wavelengths (visible light 2 IR frequencies etc.), GaN AESA for EW/EA, sensor fusion, etc.

    To top it off, built-in laser instead of the old cannon.

    The new engine will be key to develop the 6. gen. fighter.

    All of the above should be “simple”, but for the active IR stealth and the visual stealth…

    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2193933
    Loke
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    Brazil is ordering Israeli munition and tactical systems for Gripen it seems:

    The Brazilian Air Force will pay US $ 245,325 million (approximately R $ 869 million) for 70 missiles and bombs Israeli high-tech, and 14 tactical systems units capture recognition information for aircraft that will be used in the new Gripen fighters, according to documents obtained by G1 through the Access to Information Act

    The G1, the Air Force says it does not disclose the types and number of weapons purchased for the Gripen for considering given an information “strategic”.

    On Wednesday (5), the Senate approved the financing of the purchase of the 36 Swedish jets across the country: in addition to the value of the weapons, the loan includes more SEK (SEK) 39,882,335,471 (about US $ 15.9 billion) which will be paid by combat aircraft, according to the message of President Dilma Rousseff to Congress.

    One of the pumps purchased by Brazil for the Gripen, according to documents obtained by G1 is the powerful Spice, developed by Israel and ability to hit several targets simultaneously with precision up to 100 km away.

    Google translated from: http://www.portalaz.com.br/noticia/geral/345456_brasil_compra_70_misseis_e_bombas_israelenses_para_armar_o_gripen.html

    What could the tactical systems “to capture recognition information” be?

    Edit: More info on this:

    20 1000 Spice guidance kits will be purchased to convert conventional Mk-83 bombs of 460 kilos type in a precision-guided bomb to add an inertial guidance and GPS in addition to visual and infrared. 30 other precision bombs also acquire 250 Spice whose warhead would have an estimated weight of between 80 and 90 kilos and a guidance system derived from the Spice family to which it belongs.

    Two other systems are selected Rafael pod recognition electro day or night RecceLite 2 in number of four units and ten units navigation pod and target acquisition Litening G4.

    Google translated from http://defensa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16307:la-fuerza-aerea-de-brasil-selecciona-el-armamento-para-el-gripen-ng&catid=55:latinoamerica&Itemid=163

    Loke
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    In a leaked report from June, it seems there is a recommendation to reduce the number of Norwegian F-35 unless there is a massive increase in the defence budget…

    The currently plans call for 48 F-35 + 4 training F-35, for a total of 52.

    It is suggested that even if the Defence budget is grown by 0.5 per year, one should still reduce the number of F-35. It is suggested that money “saved” by reducing the F-35 number, should instead be put into buying a replacement for the Orion P3s that we currently got. The implication is of course that unless we reduce the number of F-35, we will not be able to replace the Orions (and we need to cut a number of other capabilities too).

    The MOD refuse to comment on the leaks of course — the final report is due to be delivered in October. I think it will be an interesting discussion…

    Defence is becoming too expensive for small countries. Thankfully we are part of NATO…

    Link: (in Norwegian) https://www.aldrimer.no/norge-bor-kjope-faerre-f-35-enn-planlagt/

    in reply to: Finland Air Force #2194437
    Loke
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    Finland uses dispersed basing like Sweden and some other countries

    Sweden does not use that system anymore.

    I don’t know about Finland, but Norway uses a variant of the “dispersed basing”; F-16 (and in the future probably also F-35) can be dispersed in times of war and conflict. However this is not done continously; instead it can be done in time of war and conflict. Normally the fighters are based in main base.

    If you re-read my post above please notice the word “surprise”. If such an attack comes as a surprise then the “dispersed basing” concept has not been activated, since there is no reason to do so… and all the fighters will be in one location, lined up, ready to be bombed.

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