LokeOr the whole thing is convenient disinformation by the US mil…..
That’s what I meant by “false flag”.
What would be the purpose of spreading such disinformation?
If the stories from Iran are true then it would indicate that the US (perhaps in collaboration with Israel) has invented technology so advanced that most people are not able to comprehend how it could possibly work. And they did this several decades ago?
That would turn the F-35 (and perhaps even the F-22) into some kind of a joke….
LokeSo this whole thing is just thin air, as far as I’m concerned.
This is more than thin air it seems.
From the original NYT story:
Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena.
So they actually have materials from the UFOs… And if you review the interview of Blumenthal (from 2.22) he confirms that these materials are being investigated and that the researchers investigating them do not know what the materials are made of…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Dp1FzKods
Of course this may be a false claim…. If it’s false claim then hopefully Pentagon will clear this up.
And even if the claim on materials and alloys are correct, it does not necessarily mean that they have been created by aliens, it could be a black US program.
However what speaks against the idea of this being the results of a top secret black US project is that a former program director from Skunk Works is fully onboard and believes this is from alien space ship. I assume that the Skunk Works people have a pretty good idea of the overall technology level of US black programs considering that they themselves have been contributing to many of them….
Of course it could still be a US black program that either Skunk Works was not part in (that somehow managed to develop technology so advanced that the Skunk Works and the other researchers do not recognize it as “human”) or that the former Skunk Works Director is part of a “false flag” operation…
Interesting times…
LokeLeslie Keane interview — again, some interesting info:
LokeMore information on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Dp1FzKods
WOW
Now I understand why they kept it secret — what I don’t understand is how and why this got out!?
Amazing…
LokeNick Pope claims the UK has similar footage, which unfortunately has been mislaid:
LokeAN/ASQ-228 ATFLIR would be my guess.
According to a former Pentagon analyst it is indeed the AN/ASQ-228 ATFLIR:
The sensor, a Raytheon AN/ASQ-228 Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) pod…
https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/2004-nimitz-flir1-video
The report (most likely written by the same analyst): https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/nimitz-report
Huffpost on this: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/inside-knowledge-about-unidentified-aerial-phenomena_us_59dc1230e4b0b48cd8e0a5c7
A bunch of crackpots? Or are they onto something?
LokePopular Mechanics on a summary:
The Super Hornets flew to investigate the last known location of the object and to their surprise, found two objects. The first was large and just below the surface of the water, causing the water to churn. The second object hovered just 50 feet above the water, moving erratically.
The second object suddenly rose up and flew towards the Super Hornets, with one pilot. Commander David Fravor, saying it appeared it was rising up to meet him. The Hornet turned towards the object to meet it and the object peeled away, accelerating, “like nothing I’ve ever seen,” Fravor later said.
The Super Hornets conferred with the USS Princeton and were vectored to a CAP point 60 miles away. Within seconds, the pilots were told by the Princeton that radar had picked up the object already at the CAP point. By the time the Super Hornets arrived however the object had already disappeared.
I also find this qoute from the NYT article interesting:
“I have no idea what I saw,” Commander Fravor replied to the pilot. “It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s.”
But, he added, “I want to fly one.”
I have always been sceptical to UFO observations however this one seems different to me.
Very odd.
LokeThere are several things that make the choice to buy the JSF over the GripenNG on price a valid one (backed up by Denmark numbers):
“Backed by Demark numbers”? Gripen NG did not participate in the Danish competition — perhaps you are referring to the Norwegian competition?
May I suggest another cup of coffee… 🙂
LokeThe Dutch eval put the F-35 as cheaper to buy and operate than the EF.
You were qouting the Danish not Dutch eval…
Typhoon is very expensive, however it may still be cheaper for Germany to increase the number of Typhoons instead of adding a different type to the mix… We all know operating two types are very expensive! The extra infrastructure, two supply lines, two training programs, etc. etc.
LokeCuriously there is very little said about F3R vs F4.
Perhaps a change in marketing strategy? The F-35 has progressed so far now that no Western country that needs a top-of-the-line a/c will consider anything else, thus the market of Rafale is limited mainly to the ME and India, and thus no need anymore to talk about F4 capabilities in public (India is already on the hook and in the ME everything is done discreetely so no need to go public).
Just an hypothesis of course…
LokeDid not knew they actually signed for the F15
It seems they have signed but will they be delivered? I thought some senators had blocked delivery for the time being?
Loke– The Air Force has started operating with F-35 from the Ørland Air Station regularly. From last Friday, 1-2 F-35 combat aircraft began to take off for a period of time, mostly daily. At the same time, there will be a number of days when F-16 takes off from Ørland, and not F-35, says Major Stian Roen, communications chief of the Air Force to the Fosna People.
On November 3, the first Norwegian F-35 combat aircraft landed at Ørland Air Station and Norwegian soil for the first time.
One month later, the aircraft have completed the reception control and are regularly in the air.Norwegian conditions
So far, F-35 takes off and lands only on Ørlandet, although they fly in the same areas as F-16. Roen says that the new combat aircraft sometimes fly together with F-16.– In this phase, the pilots are investigating how F-35 works in Norwegian conditions. It’s about getting to know the plane and doing training under Norwegian weather conditions. As well as getting to know Ørland and other airports in Norway, “says the communications officer at the Air Force.
According to the schedule for when the new fighters will take over national defense preparedness tasks, it is still over a year before F-35 will take assignments from F-16.
Google translated from: http://www.fosna-folket.no/nyheter/2017/12/09/Har-begynt-å-operere-med-F-35-regelmessig-15728393.ece
So it seems things are progressing according to (the updated) schedule!
LokeParrikar on the Indian Rafale:
Explaining the price quotient, Parrikar said, “A fighter aircraft is not only (an) aircraft. (The) aircraft is probably smaller part of the total cost — the real cost comes in special equipment. How many of you know that this particular deal (includes) a helmet to be worn by the pilot where a target (gets) locked by just watching the target. It is virtually 360-degree visibility. The pilot doesn’t have to actually check up…. He has to just watch…and press the button. The computer does the rest….”
He said, “Our Rafales will come with this equipment…. That cost of development of helmet is included (in the deal).”Stating that Indian Air Force was much superior to Pakistan’s during the 1999 Kargil war, Parrikar said, “Between 1999 and 2014, until Narendra Modi came, Pakistan, through various purchases, had acquired a capacity of 100 km range, whereas we had upgraded our BVR (Beyond Visual Range missile) only 60 km on Su 30. So we were now in danger of being shot down by Pakistani fighters from 100 km away, and not being able to retaliate. That is also part of the (Rafale) purchase.”
About the process:
He said, ‘start discussion, finalise price and after everything is finished, please come back to me with all documentary evidence’ how Dassault, or the Rafale company, was the lowest.”
Parrikar pointed out that the Central Vigilance Commission guidelines say the government cannot negotiate with anyone other than the lowest. “If you have identified him (any company) as the lowest, you can negotiate. But how do you negotiate with someone and then prove that he was lowest? So…for two-and-a-half years, the file was going around in circles (under UPA). We broke the circle by deciding that we have to take a different approach.”
Indeed a messy process!
LokeJapan is planning to purchase JSMs:
“We are planning to introduce the JSM (Joint Strike Missile) that will be mounted on the F-35A (stealth fighter) as ‘stand-off’ missiles that can be fired beyond the range of enemy threats,” Onodera told a news conference.
Norway and Germany will develop the next generation of NSM:
Norway and Germany agree to further develop a common missile based on the Norwegian Maritime Missile (NSM), which will eventually provide identical missiles in both countries’ marines.
“This will be a solid starting point for comprehensive collaboration on operation and lifetime support of the material. The cooperation will help secure Norwegian and German high-tech jobs for a long time, “said Defense Minister Frank Bakke-Jensen.
Cooperation with Germany will further strengthen the position that the Norwegian defense industry has gained through many decades of high technology development. The value of future sales of NSM will be significant and the agreement ensures a technology launch that provides great opportunities for Norwegian industry. This cooperation can lead to increased export potential.
Google translated from: https://www.regjeringen.no/no/aktuelt/missilsamarbeid/id2580595/
The US Marines are looking at antiship-missiles, including the NSM:
Preferably, any new missile would be able to fire from the existing Army and Marine Corps launchers, the wheeled HIMARS and tracked MLRS. “I wouldn’t at this point exclude something like Raytheon-Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile,” said McConnell. “There is a potential that it’s capable of being modified to fire from a HIMARS.”
https://breakingdefense.com/2017/11/marines-seek-anti-ship-himars-high-cost-hard-mission/
Lokeahaha ! Could you give some evidences ? best camera and telescope have bigger sensor as you need to get as much light as possible. Have you ever heard of the magellan telescope, European extremely large telescope, the 30m telescope which are underway as the new generation ? They are still pushing size of optics to the extreme to get the maximum amount of photons…Do you know what is a full or medium frame sensor in photography ? Why are best cameras relying on bigger sensor ?
Physics is still relevant of course however there is more to this than what meets the eye… (pun intended).
Please look at the numbers from the Danish eval. F-35 scores higher than the others even in the Recce missions. The Delta is smaller than for the other missions (so in that respect you have probably identified a “weak point” of the F-35), however it still scores higher than the SH, Typhoon, and F-16!
If you are not happy with the Recce capabities of the F-35 then for sure you would not be happy with the recce capabilities of the SH/Typhoon/F-16…
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