ex Saudi Lightning @ MAM
Jagx204 covered the problem of Saudi A.F. markings in respect of the MAM Lightning here:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30676&highlight=Saudi+Lightning+MAM
Roger Smith.
Yes!
I know the Lincoln is an Avro design but, in terms of types designed/built by a British aircraft manufacturer that survive in preservation, those of Sir W.G.Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft Ltd (AWA) are the most poorly represented. The Argosy freighter is the only original AWA design extant (excepting the possibility of underwater Whitleys).
There are a few AWA-built types surviving, the oldest (I think) Hart K4972 at Hendon plus Lincoln RF398 at Cosford and Meteors, Seahawks, Hunters and Javelins.
A Lincoln at MAM could also partially represent the massive effort in churning out Lancasters at Baginton during WW2.
Roger Smith.
Bristol Orion radials
In Bill Gunston’s “By Jupiter – the life of Sir Roy Fedden” TWO Bristol Orion radial engines are described. The following is extracted from the book.
The first was a development of the Jupiter VI incorporating an RAE turbocharger and ran in 1928. Although getting a Gamecock to 20,000 ft in 12 3/4 mins there were cooling problems plus distortion on the turbocharger impeller casing and the programme was abandoned.
The second Orion was an 18 cyl radial with a bore of 6 1/4 ins and capacity of 4,140 cu ins. Detail drawing was done in 1941 and it promised to be a superb engine with an initial rating of 4,000 hp and, like the smaller Centaurus (at that time the most powerful radial in the world) was sleeve-valve. Despite the internal political battles at Bristol (which came to a head when Fedden received his Knighthood) an Orion single cylinder rig was run in 1942 but it seems the design died with the departure of Fedden from Bristol Engines in October, 1942.
A good source for further information might be the Bristol Branch of the Roll Royce Heritage Trust at Filton.
Roger Smith.
I, personally, would love to see a Mosquito at the Midland Air Museum.
Standard Motors at Canley, Coventry (about 2 miles down the A45) built over 1,000 of them – final assembly/test flying from Ansty (now a Rolls Royce factory).
I’ll keep dreaming…..
Roger Smith.
Canberra WF922
For Les 🙂
In the process of re-assembly at MAM after arrival from Cambridge.
Although one of ‘my’ photos I don’t think I took it (perhaps one of my sons did) as I think thats me in the light shorts (t’was a hot day).
Roger Smith.
WOW that’s the first time I’ve managed to post a pic!!!
RPS
Les, I reckon it was silver when first delivered all those years ago – but I may be wrong – will try and look out photos.
It’s first MAM repaint (this one must be the 3rd or 4th?) was done by Mick Abbey. I’m pretty sure it was Dulux and he rollered it in a single weekend.Roger Smith.
Hopefully attached is photo of XA508 post delivery/prior to first MAM repaint.
Have to admit I can’t tell from this pic whether it is silver or grey!
Roger Smith.
PS the delivery, by MARTSU, was by way of a deal in exchange for the loan of the Bleriot/Humber monoplane replica to the FAAM.
BAPC NAHRegister
Yes, an aircraft could score a maximum of 12 points under nine headings.
7+ = Benchmark, 4+ = Significant and up to 4 = Noteworthy.
Despite being unclassified the B.707 scored 6 and yes, heading H (environment) could be 1 or 2 points that those outside at Cosford will have lost out on. Having said that most of the other UK preserved example of these airliner types will suffer the same points loss for the same reason – excepting the Science Museum’s Comet.
Roger Smith.
I read somewhere that Newark Air Museum used the BAPC [British Aviation Preservation Council] produced National Aviation Heritage Register when deciding that the Varsity would go inside their new building; rather than the Vulcan, Hastings and Shackleton. As these types were already displayed under cover in other collections.
This register categorises aircraft as National Benchmark, Significant and Noteworthy.
What is the status of the BA Collection aircraft on the Register?
I have a First Edition of the NAHR (1998)
B.707 unclassified
BAC 1-11 Significant
Brittania Significant
Comet Significant
Viscount Benchmark
VC.10 Significant
Roger Smith.
OK RP. Bow to your experience there. I did say I was an interested bystander though, not a MAM expert. It’s just that I like the place and the people there. They also make a rather good tuna sandwich . . . 😉
Les, to introduce a bit of levity…
When the Pope visited and conducted a mass at Coventry Airport in 1982(?) a number of us stayed at the museum around the clock to ‘protect’ the collection from the hordes of the faithful descending on the airport.
Some of us camped, someone brought their caravan and someone else slept inside the Dove. Eating was done al fresco and somewhere there is a photo of me sitting at a camping table stuffing my face with a strategically repositioned aircraft sign in front. The sign? “Gannet” 😀 😀
Roger Smith.
Albert, as I understand it, as an interested bystander, the scheme replicates as far as possible that which the Navy left it in.
Les, I reckon it was silver when first delivered all those years ago – but I may be wrong – will try and look out photos.
It’s first MAM repaint (this one must be the 3rd or 4th?) was done by Mick Abbey. I’m pretty sure it was Dulux and he rollered it in a single weekend.
Roger Smith.
How about a Focke Achgelis Fa 330?
Or even a Flettner Fl282? – there’s one close at hand to copy ( as someone else is)
Roger Smith.
Whistling wheelbarrow = Argosy
Also known, I believe, as the “Whistling Tit”
Roger Smith.
Why not fundraise millions for an American Naval Museum at Duxford too 😀 !
Go tell that to the Marines…. 😉
Roger Smith.
The MAM’s first use of WD40 as a preservative/water dispersant met with limited success.
Not knowing any better at the time (25+ years ago) WD40 was sprayed around the inside of several airframes. Shortly after, with gravity playing it’s part, the oil – very much dirtier now than when applied – began to seep/dribble out of panel joints. On such as the Mystere and F-100 in their unpainted state they looked very messy. At that time there was no water supply (on the original site) so washing was not an option.
Hope this might be of interest to anyone considering it’s use.
Roger Smith.