The picture reproduced below appears elsewhere on the forum as an aside. It depicts the Short Shamrock, a Shirl modified for an ultimately failed attempt at a transatlantic crossing. I know nothing about it other than that. Can anyone fill in the details? It has become a bone of contention with someone insisting that it is the Sopwith Atlantic, which it clearly is not.
Staged photo???
there appears to be no one in the cockpit
I suppose there could be a second cockpit , or the switches are so low down the pilot has temporarily disappeared from view.
Agree – nice thread.
Roger Smith.
Having read Seth Shulman’s “Unlocking The Sky” about Glenn Curtis and his battle with the Wright Brothers and, more recently, “Men, Women And 10,000 Kites” (the memoirs of Gabriel Voisin) I am doubting more and more the claim of the Wrights to have flown the first controllable aeroplane.
Voisin devotes the whole final chapter “one of aviation’s biggest hoaxes” of his book to his belief that the aeroplane was invented and developed by the French.
From Shulman’s tome I believe that the Wright’s did more harm than good to aviation with their constant patent claims. Look at the fact that come the Great War several European nations had aircraft industries that could produce useable aeroplane, the USA did not.
Roger Smith.
As for museum Vimys, there are three. The Science Museum Alcock and Brown one, the England/Australia one in Oz (the original G-EAOU) and the replica in the RAF Museum. When this goes into the NASM whole future generations will learn that the first person to cross the Atlantic by air, non stop was not Lindbergh, as many of them believe, and that there may have been some aviation going on outside the US in the 1920s and 1930s.
I agree too! Similarly with my comments some weeks ago about displaying a Meteor in the US – the Yanks didn’t invent or do everything first!
Roger Smith.
So has this raised a further query – was it known that the Spanish had at least one Parnall Panther. Unfortunately my library doesn’t include Putnam’s “Parnall Aircraft” so I can’t check.
The panther was a most unusual design – the rear fuselage hinged sideways to facilitate stowage on board ship.
Roger Smith.
Stratofortress?
Will need a bigger shed though.
Roger Smith.
Just out of curiousity ( and perhaps showing my ignorance) do any ex-RAF Mustangs survive and/or are there any preserved with RAF markings?
Roger Smith.
[QUOTE=Papa Lima]
Donated to the Historic Aircraft Museum, Sydney, Australia.
Became G-ASXX and flown back to England
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Don’t forget the Historic Aircraft Preservation Society (Biggin Hill) who actually got her back to the UK, and then Reflectaire at Lavenham, Hullavington and Blackpool.
There was a reunion recently at East Kirby of people involved in the aircraft early life in the UK as a preserved airframe.
Roger Smith.
It’s not Southam, it was at Stoneythorpe Hall 😉
Stoneythorpe Hall IS at Southam – If I’d put Stoneythorpe Hall no-one would have had a clue where it was (except you)
Roger Smith.
Weren’t the Meteor tanks engines built in the UK..?
It was the Meteor tank engine production facility that Rolls Royce exchanged for the Rover jet engine facility at Barnoldswick thus entering RR into the jet age.
Roger Smith,
looks like they’ve done a fair job so far. Greg
They’ve sewn it together well – can hardly see the join!
Roger Smith.
It states it is the only one,but I believe there is another,G-AKUW? Or is that a slightly different model?
‘KUW is a Super Ace but both are designated Chrislea CH.3. They look very similar but there are differences.
Roger Smith.
I know Brooklands has both a Varsity and Valetta, thought theres was unique though. Would look great together in Hangar one
I believe that Brooklands have a long term plan to put Viking, Varsity, Viscount, Merchantman, VC10 together in one building along with their BAC 1-11 and Concorde – have thy got a Valetta?.
A candidate for location of the Vimy replica?
Roger Smith.
I think it’s a paperweight off the adjutant’s desk.
Roger Smith.
Peter Thomas
Seeing, and going into, the Sunderland at Pembroke Dock when a child was probably my first contact with aircraft preservation. A few years later visits in the early 1960s to Skyfame at Staverton (and Shuttleworth) started a life-long passion in me.
Peter Thomas had his detractors and it was sad that Skyfame Museum eventually failed. However I feel we owe the man a great debt of gratitude – not just for the aircraft he saved but also for his drive that was so influential in the sparking off of the British aircraft preservation movement.
RIP
Roger Smith.
It’s the “plans available” bit that is difficult.
Something from the Lympne trials, DH70 Tiger Moth, TK4, Westland Widgeon (not fully extinct though),
Roger Smith.