Rob Langham has recently posted a picture of the frame of a Bessoneau in store with the RAFMuseum
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1393698#post1393698
the vertical A-frames look identical.
Roger Smith.
Rob,
Do you have any more pictures of the Bessoneau Hangar framework? – in particular the roof trusses.
Am trying to identify what is almost certainly a WW1 hangar in Coventry and the upright A-frames look identical
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=84728
Was there, perhaps, more than one design of Bessoneau?
Roger Smith.
This is the Stafford store??
Great to see these – thanks.
Roger Smith.
Coventry
I can’t go far from home without coming across some historic aviation site. Coventry, my home city, is steeped in aeronautical history.
The city’s swimming baths cover the site where Major R.F.Moore had his Flying Fox ornithopter built in 1895.
Only a couple of hundred yards from my home is the modest terraced house where Sir Frank Whittle was born in June, 1906.
Humber Road where Humber Ltd. set up one of Britain’s first aircraft production lines in 1909/1910 to licence-build Bleriot’s (and the Anzani engines) and various other designs. The last bits of Humber’s factory complex have only recently been demolished.
Six sites where five firms (Daimler, Humber, Standard, Siddeley Deasey and Coventry Ordnance Works) built thousands of airframes and engines for the R.F.C. and R.N.A.S. during WW1. Sadly only the COW building survives. In addition there were two Aircraft Acceptance Parks during WW1 – one adjacent to Daimler at Radford and the other at Whitley.
Whitley, of course, became the home of Sir W.G.Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft in the 1920s whilst the original Siddeley Deasey site at Parkside became Armstrong Siddeley Motors. At Whitley (now a Jaguar Cars R&D centre) the Flight Shed is, I believe, the only surviving remnant of it’s aeronautical past.
A retail park commemorates Alvis who, whilst famous for their cars and military vehicles, also built the Leonides in the post-war years. Their involvement in aero-engines began in the 1930’s and the Leonides could be seen as the ultimate development of the Bristol Jupiter (via Gnome-Rhone).
With WW2 the city’s motor industry turned to aviation once again with Alvis working on Merlins; Rover, A.W.A., Standard and SS Cars (Jaguar) building airframes/major parts; Armstrong Siddeley, Humber (now under the Rootes banner) and Daimler building aero engines and a myriad of other firms (Dunlop, B.T.H., G.E.C., etc.) building specialist components.
It’s small wonder Coventry was an major target for the Luftwaffe in 1940 and 1941.
You’ll have guessed, by now, I’m a bit passionate about it – one reason I founded the Midland Aircraft Preservation Society (now the Midland Air Museum) in the city in 1967. MAM is right on my doorstep but they won’t let me go there any more :mad::mad: – but that’s another story.
Roger Smith.
Lest we forget, America proved to be a fairly good market for the Argosy…..
…….In my manufacturer model collection, I have a nice AW model of one painted in LOGAIR/Riddle markings.
I have a photo somewhere – a close-up of the tail of a Riddle Argosy with “Katie the kangaroo” on it. In Katie’s pouch is a very large/prominent stick with fuse marked “T.N.T.” – I have often wondered if there was any connection between Riddle and the world-wide TNT transport company?
TNT = “Tonight Not Tomorrow” (as well as whatever the chemical name is for the explosive)
Roger Smith.
bazv – not much help in this case (as you say) but is interesting (also as you say) and anyone picking up on the general title of this thread will probably find great value in it. Ausflyboy posted something similar a few posts back. (yep, post 21)
If only the MoD had done another document on WW1 hangars.
Roger Smith.
scorpion, thanks and as I said in post 14 it does remind me of a Robin – and I was intimately associated with moving/re-erecting a Robin some years back.
However it pre-dates the Robin by (I think) 20 years and it is made of wood not steel.
Roger Smith.
Roger,and I am only thinking aloud here…how much of the original roof structure is left ?
I work in a 1917 2 bay with central support wall between the bays,but the roof has been completely replaced-so it now has a double pitch roof,you can still see the ‘steps’where the original roof was mounted.
Also could the building have been internally modernised but kept the same external shape to keep planners happy,if so any clues might be at the sloping side supports/uprights,manufacturers usually like to put their mark on but of course it could be a small plate under layers of paint or even stamped /engraved on woodcheers baz
baz, of the roof structure (the trusses) I would guess about 40% remains. As I said in my earlier post about half of each truss has been replaced by modern steel beams – most probably following the original external shape. If there is time on my next visit (hopefully next week) I will look for a manufacturer’s plate.
Stow Maries have indicated they are no longer interested.
ausflyboy, thanks for the info on WW2 hangars. This one pre-dates them – I believe it was erected on site c. 1921. Do you have similar data/photos of WW1 hangars??
Roger Smith.
When I started work as an apprentice, the Company’s training instructor was ex AWA Drawing Office. He said that the tail booms were based on NF Meteors, as AWA were manufacturing them at the time the Argosy was being designed.
He also said the wings were Shack, with Viscount nacelles tacked on…….
…….but have worked on the tail boom of other Argosy’s, and moved a couple of Meteors and they are very similar!
I got to talk to my friend the other evening who was a long-time draughtsman with AWA and put the question to him about tail boom/Meteor rear fuselage. “Yes” he believes there was a direct link between the two. He said that much of the draughting work on the booms was done at Hamble.
He also remembers the visit to Baginton of Sir Arnold Hall when he studied 1/50 plans of the proposed Argosy and of the Shackleton and his decision was made fairly quickly to “use the Shackleton wing”.
Roger Smith.
Thanks J Boyle, that’s the one.
The only thing throttle movement does with the Viper is to vary the noise level, the power is constant or so JP pilots joke anyway:D
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Roger Smith.
EN830 ………Now with the latest story of the Heathrow Concorde might end up in Dubai would be another sad blow……..
Why? We’ve got six in preservation spread well throughout the UK. Hadn’t heard the Dubai story but think it would be a good location.
Roger Smith.
That 1940s US Navy aircraft with piston engine up front and a gas turbine at rear (can’t remember it’s name)
Roger Smith
good news – “variety is the spice of life”
Welcome to the Forum
Roger Smith.
Anyone got an update on this??
Roger Smith.
The Director was quoted as saying a few years ago ‘No more replicas’
And, more recently, the Mew Gull.
Roger Smith.