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February 25, 2008 at 6:05 pm in reply to: World Air Speed Record holders – survivors #1257591

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looking again at the Wikipedia list points out, of course, the Bell X-1 preserved at the Smithsonian. Indeed, if the original Wright Flyer is classed as a record breaker (I have my doubts personally) then Smithsonian also have two.

Roger Smith.

February 25, 2008 at 6:00 pm in reply to: World Air Speed Record holders – survivors #1257595

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The catalogue of Il Museo Storico dell’Aeronautica Militaire di Vigna di Valle says the Macchi MC 72 took the record at 709.202 Km/h on 23rd October 1934 but does not answer Pondskater’s question as to whether that is the one in the Museum. Similar situation with the earlier Macchi M 39 – an example of which took the record in Norfolk, USA in 1926 (not on the Wikipedia list?)

Roger Smith.

February 25, 2008 at 5:31 pm in reply to: World Air Speed Record holders – survivors #1257640

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Think if you go back far enough the Italians may have been members….

Planemike

that’s why I included Italy in the list of five countries….;)

Roger Smith.

February 25, 2008 at 5:14 pm in reply to: World Air Speed Record holders – survivors #1257674

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Is this thread restricted to western aircraft ??

If not, the Soviet E-166 is still preserved at Monino……

(actually it is a Ye-152M painted to represent the Ye-152-1/Ye-166)

Ken

Thanks for that Ken – any chance of date/speed/pilot?

It would be a bit churlish to exclude Soviet World Air Speed Record holders – especially as there can’t be many of them 🙂

I guess it must be a fairly exclusive club – UK, USA, France, Italy and Russia??

Roger Smith.

February 25, 2008 at 9:26 am in reply to: NAFM Canada/RCAFM Museum Restoration Projects #1258108

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Great to see these pics – thanks Mike

Roger Smith.

February 24, 2008 at 2:59 pm in reply to: Blohm und Voss BV141 #1258822

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The first time I became aware of the Bv 141 was in an article in ‘Flying Review’ (early ’60s?) entitled “Asymmetric Oddity”.

Yes I did have to get a dictionary out to spell it correctly 😀

Roger Smith

February 19, 2008 at 1:38 pm in reply to: Napier Lion in Sahara.. #1264744

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Thanks Andy,

I don’t know the difference between the different numbers on the engines – in fact I know very little about the Napier engines at all! I would take a wild guess that “INSTR 1474B” might be short for “Instruction” and was, maybe, applied later at a technical school/college?

Are all the engines AERO engines ie were they all originally built as aeroplane power units and some later modified for land/marine use? Or did Napier build the land/marine units – perhaps modifying the normal aero engines on the production line? I presume the Sea Lions fall into this latter category.

Anyway here is the list with your ammendments:

A.T.C., Seaham Sea Lion
Brooklands Museum Mk.VIIB (ex Gloster IVB 1927 Schneider Trophy entrant – owned by Napier Power Heritage?)
Brooklands Museum Mk.XI (“Railton” – running)
Brooklands Museum Mk.XIA Special (no. 66113 from Fairey Long Range Monoplane 1933 – incomplete)
Imperial War Museum Mk.? (no. CRA1251)
IWM, Duxford Mk.IB
Manchester University Mk.VIIB
Museum of Flight, East Fortune Sea Lion
National Motor Museum, Beaulieu Mk.VIID (installed in “Golden Arrow”)
National Motor Museum, Beaulieu Mk.II (cutaway)
National Motorboat Museum Mk.VIIA (installed in “Miss England”)
National Motorboat Museum Mk.? (ex “Miss England III” – supercharged
National Maritime Museum Mk.VIIA
RAFMuseum, Cosford Mk.V (no. 50479)
RAFMuseum, Hendon Mk.V
RAFMuseum, Hendon Mk.VIIA (no. N47-50179
RAFMuseum, Hendon Mk.VIII
RAFMuseum, Hendon Sea Lion
Rolls Royce Heritage Trust – Bristol Mk.II Or Mk.V (RAFM) (may have moved to Derby)
Science Museum Mk.V (cutaway)
Shelley, R.C. Collection Mk.V (no. 50108 ex Blackburn Velos G-AAAW)
Shuttleworth Collection Mk.? (sectioned, motorised)
Solent Sky, Southampton Mk.VIII (62418)
Solent Sky, Southampton Mk.?
Solent Sky, Southampton Mk.?
Solent Sky, Southampton Mk.VIIB
Think Tank, Birmingham (ex Museum of Science & Industry) Mk. VIID (no. 63307 installed in Railton speed record car)
Think Tank, Birmingham (ex Museum of Science & Industry) Mk. VIID (no. 63308 installed in Railton speed record car)
Williams, Chris Bentley Napier Sea Lion (running)

Plus,
Andy/’Racer2 UK’ Mk.VA (no. 51383 also marked N.1405 & INSTR 1474B – under rebuild)

Finally – have I got the designation of Chris Williams’ engine correct? or is a Napier Sea Lion (ex Bentley/still in a Bentley = running)?

Roger Smith.

February 19, 2008 at 11:45 am in reply to: Napier Lion in Sahara.. #1264901

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Hi Racer2,

I realise this thread has crept somewhat from it’s original but it seemed a good opportunity to extend your/BAPC list of survivors (at least in the UK). If nobody has any objections I would like to pass on the end result to Peter Kirk of RRHT – the compiler of the BAPC list.

I have tried to combine both lists. I started off with the BAPC list (italics) but retyped into location order (rather than engine mark) then added yours in.

Unfortunately when I copied my Word doc into here the italics all disappeared 😡 I’ve tried to reintroduce them but it all went a bit wrong 🙁 so the list is merely combined – there are undoubtedly now one or two duplications.

A.T.C., Seaham Sea Lion
Brooklands Museum Mk.VIIB (ex Gloster IVB 1927 Schneider Trophy entrant – owned by Napier Power Heritage?)
Brooklands Museum Mk.XI (“Railton” – running)
Brooklands Museum Mk.XIA Special (no. 66113 from Fairey Long Range Monoplane 1933 – incomplete)
Imperial War Museum Mk.? (no. CRA1251)
IWM, Duxford Mk.IB
Manchester University Mk.VIIB
Museum of Flight, East Fortune Sea Lion
National Motor Museum, Beaulieu Mk.VIID (installed in “Golden Arrow”)
National Motor Museum, Beaulieu Mk.II (cutaway)
National Motorboat Museum Mk.VIIA (installed in “Miss England”)
National Motorboat Museum Mk.? (ex “Miss England III” – supercharged
National Maritime Museum Mk.VIIA
RAFMuseum, Cosford Mk.V
RAFMuseum, Hendon Mk.V
RAFMuseum, Hendon Mk.VIIA (no. N47-50179
RAFMuseum, Hendon Mk.VIII
RAFMuseum, Hendon Sea Lion
Rolls Royce Heritage Trust – Bristol Mk.II Or Mk.V (RAFM) (may have moved to Derby)
Science Museum Mk.V (cutaway)
Shelley, R.C. Collection Mk.V (no. 50108 ex Blackburn Velos G-AAAW)
Shuttleworth Collection Mk.? (sectioned, motorised)
Solent Sky, Southampton Mk.VIII (62418)
Solent Sky, Southampton Mk.?
Solent Sky, Southampton Mk.?
Solent Sky, Southampton Mk.VIIB
Think Tank, Birmingham (ex Museum of Science & Industry) Mk. VIID (no. 63307 installed in Railton speed record car)
Think Tank, Birmingham (ex Museum of Science & Industry) Mk. VIID (no. 63308 installed in Railton speed record car)
Williams, Chris Bentley Napier Sea Lion (running)

Plus,
Andy/Racer2 UK Mk.VA (under rebuild)

Roger Smith.

February 19, 2008 at 4:38 am in reply to: NAC Fieldmaster #1265174

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Might East Midlands Aeropark be interested? It’s a long way from IOW but they have the B-N Sheriff (I think)
Roger Smith.

February 19, 2008 at 4:26 am in reply to: Civilian Repair Units #1265179

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Can’t remember if it was classed as a CRU but S.S. Motors (later to become Jaguar Cars) had an operation repairing AW Whitleys at Leamington Hastings – a few miles south of Leamington Spa, warwicks.

The airfield there had been set up between the two wars by Major Bonniksen. at least one of the wartime hangars survives.

Roger Smith.

February 18, 2008 at 1:26 pm in reply to: Memorials and can I donate my pictures? #1266070

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go to:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=75502&highlight=memorials

Roger Smith.

February 18, 2008 at 1:10 pm in reply to: Vampire Survivors #1266088

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Appologes for the “thread creep” here, but on the subject of Vampires, it appears that no F.1’s are left fitted with the original windscreen and canopy design. All surviving examples appear to have been retrofitted with the latter type.

Does anyone know of an example of an early type 3 piece canopy/windscreen in a museum or store room anywhere?

Later type – first photo.

Early type – second photo.

Were they retro-fitted or was the later type installed part way through the production run? just thinking out ‘loud

Roger Smith.

February 18, 2008 at 12:51 pm in reply to: Napier Lion in Sahara.. #1266090

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Hi Creaking, my list for Lion engine’s in the UK so far is,

DUXFORD IB
BEAULIEU MUSEUM II cutaway
COSFORD V
SCIENCE MUSEUM LONDON V cutaway
HENDON V + VIII
NATIONAL MARITIME MUSEUM VIIA
SOLENT SKY MUSEUM VIIB
BIRMINGHAM MUSEUM OF SCIENCE VIID 2off MOBIL RAILTON
BEAULIEU MUSEUM VIID GOLDEN ARROW
BROOKLANDS MUSEUM XI RAILTON *RUNNING*
BROOKLANDS MUSEUM XIA
EAST FORTUNE MUSEUM OF FLIGHT SEALION

Plus,

BENTLEY NAPIER SEALION *RUNNING*
MYSELF VA *REBUILD*

Please add to the list, the more info available the better.

Andy

The BAPC engines list has 20 examples (your list above has 16 but you previously mentioned 23) with quite a few differences between the two. For example BAPC has the National Motorboat (Maritime?) Museum as having two examples and The Shuttleworth Collection having one….

Have you access to the BAPC list (I know it is several years old) and, if so, would you care to comment on the differences?

Roger Smith.

February 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm in reply to: What aircraft type… #1268488

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Klemm L26a ?

Wouldn’t you expect to see a hinge-line for the fold-up section of the inner wing on a Klemm?

Although I have no alternative to offer. Oh for a copy of Ord-Hume’s “British Light Aeroplanes” 🙁

Roger Smith.

February 14, 2008 at 5:09 pm in reply to: Surviving Aircraft of "credible" World Heritage Value – "THE LIST"! #1269440

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I think there is a ‘line’ to consider take two different examples of famous aircraft and their pilot(s)

DH 60 Moth and Amy Johnson
Bell X-1 and Gen “Chuck” Yeager

I would argue that (despite being a patriotic Brit) that the X-1 is far more significant than the DH 60. Although both Yeager and Johnson were extraordinary pilots the X-1 was built for a specific purpose/scientific advancement which it achieved. The DH 60 (important though the type might be for advancing light aviation) was secondary and Johnson could have probably made her flight in any one of several other types (British, French or American).

The same could be said of the Vimys, Fokkers, Ryans, etc – although it is, usually, the aircraft we remember it was the pilots/crew that made the achievement.

Roger Smith.
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