Ja WorsleyOk so which ship was used by the USN as a Mine Countermeasures Control Ship? I know it was of this class and I was sure that it was Iwo Jima and around 96! I remember seaing a pic of a CH-53 draggind the mine clearence vessel through the water with the ship in the back ground!
Ja WorsleyThe Germans had a master at the Helm and they were very cunning with their actions, the loss of Hood was very unfortunate but very nessecary and I only say that to make this point, it was a big slap in the face for the British who thought that they ruled the waves, this made them rethink all their plans for fighting on the water.
The main thing that was against her was the fact that the British had stuck to the Arms limitation treaties even after Japan and Germany had left and war was on the horizon. You have to laugh at the pomposity of the British at this time they really thought that they could beat everyone on water, sure they had ruled the oceans for hundreds of years but for every up, there has to be a down. The Bismark taught them a lesson that they learned very quick. Guess they should have been lucky that they never went up against the Yamato or Musashi!
Don’t get me wrong guys, I do pray for those souls lost, but war is about lessons, and the British finally learned a hard one that day.
Ja WorsleyYou can bet that they’d place a 50 year closure on the file since most of the USN carriers would be starting to be replaced by then.
Ja WorsleyThat’s right; Constitution was the Ship under dispute here an old Bark, Constellation was an Aircraft Carrier which recently retired from service (CV-62) I should know that I had friend on her!
Ja WorsleyBadg: Mate are you sure about the Iwo? I know she was used as a mine countermeasures control ship for some time until being laid up due to a severe fire in one of the boiler rooms.
Ja WorsleyI know that the usual compliment of aircraft on CdG is 40. What you discribe is probably a work up group deployed for training purposes.
Ja WorsleyYeah I forgot about that, I saw it pop up in Janes a while ago, a two year deployment to the US, man they’d be loving it.
I agree that the US will find out some hard truths about their lack of conventional sub and littoral warfare, personally I think that after this experiment, the USN will start calling for new conventional subs to play along side their fleet of big SSN’s
Ja WorsleyI have been looking for this for a long time, yes they only flew a radio controlled version to test the principle (not a bad idea if you ask me, would save a lot of time and money and not get people killed as often).
It is interesting in the fact that you can see a striking resemblance to the current Gripen project in Sweden (not the Viggen), one wonders if this design had made its way there?
Ja Worsleytell me the last time when any Indian Political boisses had any long-term stratergy for any matter regarding Indian National security or for the region.
It’s not only that mate, if you look at the doctrine of the USMC you’d see why no other country has them! These guys are beachhead specialists. They are trained to go in to the line of fire and secure a beach head on enemy soil, the best example of this was the Normandy landings. If you look at their equipment and setup you’ll find that everything they have is designed for use with beachheads in mind.
The UK Marines are very similar but they are more refined in their knowledge and are usually called upon as specialists in this role, It’s also interesting to note that a private in the royal marines can take command of a mission out ranking an Army officer who would be subserviant to the Marine, though the respect will carry over, as it should.
Some other countries have a seperate marine force and they are all used in the same way, the fact that India doesn’t have them is a result of them not needing this special force since their biggest enemy is across the boarder and not across the sea!
Ja WorsleyI understand the French Navy pilots go through their flight training with the US Navy…….
That’s right mate, just about every country that as a carrier sends it’s new pilots to the US to train for carrier ops, because they are the only country in the world who are able to undertake such training ops on a regular basis, the only countries that don’t are the British and the Russians every other country does!
Lucky guy!!! Rafale is an awsome plane!!
Yes it is and for this lovely plane to find sea legs is truly great, i wonder if the USN will hire or buy some for DACT missions? they could base a few on a carrier for training purposes and fly them off to provide an organic DACT fleet, now there’s an Idea I bet they haven’t thought of 😉
Yes, since the UK moved away from CTOL/CATOBAR there is not much chance of a European training programme.
Don’t rule out the British too quick mate: Their new carriers are being designed with a quick change in mind, should they fore-go any further development of the F-35 and decide to proceed with a normal fixed wing plane, these carriers are being built with quick change options built in!
The Ramp can be removed and either a Russian style system or a normal Cat system could be quickly implimented, IIRC in te design specs for the carrier, they stated a one week turn around for such an option, should it be needed.
Spain is more likely as the third country. They are actually considering CTOL/CATOBAR for the PdeA replacement.
That’s right, though you shouldn’t forget about Italy, if either or Both of these countries do go for a CATOBAR type carrier then it will become likely of a European training facility, perhaps the Russians might join in as well.
I think the whole concept of carriers is going to undergo some major changes in the next few years. With increased emphasis on stealth and the growth in the use of unmanned aircraft, the need for the ‘huge’ CV in most instances will decline.
Navies should begin to invest in small platforms suited for operating the next generation of air combat vehicles. Navies other than the US will have a real advantage in this area as they do not have to deal with the ‘legacy’ of the super CV’s in their service.
Rather than debating on how big a aviation platform needs to be the question should be how small could an effective aviation strike platform be in 2010?
Very well put mate, yes the whole UAV/UCAV revolution is going to change carrier ops in the near future, and it Is highly likely that large carriers are going to die off in place of smaller ones mainly because of the size of the planes on board, I have posted a pic of a design currently under consideration from InCat, now it is worth noting that Austral also has some concepts on a similar basis, this is the only company that is offering a through deck ship rather than a large flight dek aft of the bridge (I’m happy to post it again- which I will do- see the last pic below it’s known as the LHT or Landing Helo Transporter).
Yor comment about Stealth is relevant in only one theater I can think of, and that’s if they decide to place a carrier in the South China sea guarding Taiwan, for this they would use a stealth carrier simply because China is known to be very agressive and territorial in that area (to the point of shooting over the bows of ships, even if they are in international waters- re RAN coming under fire 2003). A stealth carrier would reduce it’s signature significantly as to throw off incoming missile fire, but once spotted, it’s still a game of survivability! (I’m posting a couple of pics of a stealth carrier proposal below for consideration- these were offered for the CVX program but deemed too expencive and option).
The nest generation US CVN would be a good start. Apparently, if I remember correctly (I think I saw this on naval-technology.com) the rather large sail will be deleted from the design (Can’t remember where the bridge will be located). Then again, I saw this some time ago and the concept could have changed a million times by now! (Maybe I should quickly check my source for futher info!)
See my pics below mate!
Seems the future belongs to large multi-purpose CV/LHD hybrids………..any thoughts?
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only thing that bothers me is that ALOT depends on the VSTOL F-35
Yes there is much riding on this program, but I can’t think of any back up programs on offer by anyone any where! Boeing could come up with some new versions of the Harrier i suppose but they are just sitting on the current design, doing nothing about the possibility of a failure in the F-35 program.
Add to this the financial stress the US would be under should it fail, they would be forced into bankruptcy should they have to pay everyone back. They’d end up like Russia is now, paying everyone back in arms for debt reduction and having little orders in their books for anything in the future, the focus would then shift over to the European market to save the world from a horrible future. Hey if you look at it like that, the future isn’t all that bad if the JSF fails, bring on the failure 😉 Mwhahahaha
Hope it lives up to expectations.
I don’t 😛
Ja WorsleyScoot: Mate you have to remember that the future scenario of aquatic warfare lies not in the open ocean, but close in to shore where bigger vessels will have trouble getting in. Even the mighty LA class SSN’s have trouble in under less than 100ft of water, yet some subs such as the Type 209’s are made for these waters, therefore if you have a littoral carrier such as what is on offer here, you change the dynamic of the combat situation and thus force defeat on a potential adversary through grounds of Cost and Manning alone.
Ja WorsleyAnyone with any comment?
Ja WorsleyOk so I missed a couple, my appologies.
So lets do a comparrison between the NH-90 TTH and the Blackhawk, users and all the general details
Ja WorsleyVery nice pics mate, interesting to see how the gear folds up!
There’s not much room in them so how are they laid out?
Ja WorsleyVort: Mate it was classified as such and as such the only such assets that would have been able to see such activity would have been space based ones! you can bet that some SSN’s would have been around patrolling for other Subs.
Dread: Yeah they always have been, look at Yorktown, took her three days to sink and that was back in the war, the thing that finally sank her was the Torpedos.
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