Eurocopter is on a winner with this design, not only in the four original partner countries, but now Australia, New Zealand and Spain! This is very good news, I think this will be the next Huey.
It is such a versatile design and the Digital FBW controls make it a very sturdy machine able to fly in most foul conditions, add to this the commonality with it’s naval varient and you simply can’t go wrong.
Maybe that’s why i can’t get a responce from InCat, interesting
As promised, i scanned this in earlier tonight after having received no responce from InCat about the design and it’s possible users.
Scoot: Below is the pic I promised, this is a 112m Incat proposal that was in an article by Dr Carlo Kopp about Amphibious mobility and the ADF. Incredibly enough i believe that Dr Kopp has finally said something worth taking note of! In the article he claims that the ADF don’t need two such large ships but one backed up by a small number (say three) of smaller vessels such as this one. His point is well made and i feel that it is worth the ADF taking note of especially if we want to increase our presence in our region especially in the light of our humanitarian deployments and peace keeping duties.
This vessel is called the LHT (Landing Helo Transporter), it is112m in length, has a small flat deck with three flight spots, a parking area and a rear lift. It can operate six Blackhawk sized helos which can be housed in the hanger one deck down. There is also a rear ramp for amphib craft or RO/RO ops, the vechiule deck can handle almost everything bar trucks and buses and can even take our new Abrams tanks though due to weight constrictions only two plus support vechiules would be able to be carried!
Quite an interesting vessel! If you are wondering, yes i believe that the F-35B could be used aboard this type of vessel, it just remains to be seen now what comes of it!
Dan: Mate I quoted what i had heard on the news back when it was announced some time last year, if you have the time and patients you can search through the history of the Modern AF board to find out the exact date.
The announcement was made by Sen Robert Hill at a conference regarding the F-35 and our participation in the program with the joint chiefs in the background.
Scoot: Below is the pic I promised, this is a 112m Incat proposal that was in an article by Dr Carlo Kopp about Amphibious mobility and the ADF. Incredibly enough i believe that Dr Kopp has finally said something worth taking note of! In the article he claims that the ADF don’t need two such large ships but one backed up by a small number (say three) of smaller vessels such as this one. His point is well made and i feel that it is worth the ADF taking note of especially if we want to increase our presence in our region especially in the light of our humanitarian deployments and peace keeping duties.
This vessel is called the LHT (Landing Helo Transporter), it is112m in length, has a small flat deck with three flight spots, a parking area and a rear lift. It can operate six Blackhawk sized helos which can be housed in the hanger one deck down. There is also a rear ramp for amphib craft or RO/RO ops, the vechiule deck can handle almost everything bar trucks and buses and can even take our new Abrams tanks though due to weight constrictions only two plus support vechiules would be able to be carried!
Quite an interesting vessel, I had emailed InCat for details and pics but I have yet to receive any responce.
Scoot: you’d be suprised how many times i’ve been asked that in the last week, I did post about the ADF’s intentions some time ago, but just for you I’ll re state what i said before!
The Australian Defence Force is lookingb at replacing it’s Hornet and F-111 fleet with the new F-35 in a 70/30 mix of two new types that are not on the drawing board yet (well that was at the time of the report). 70 F-35’s which would be a hybred of the F-35A and C models and a new version of the F-35B model of which 30 will be bought for ops off the two new LHD’s that the RAN are planning to buy.
Now considering that we are looking at introducing these planes in 2015 this does tie in with further development of the F-35 fleet. And considering Australia never buys anything off the shelf but tailor makes it’s planes to it’s needs, this could be interesting (refer to the F-111 program).
There still are many people here that are opposed to this planned purchase especially since most see it as a deal that has been forced on to us by the US.
Indeed, but since I just got my PC back today i’ll have a chance later to do some scanning and I’ll show you guys something that makes more sence 😉
The Vikings were being looked at by the RN for just this purpose, the Americans had offered to zero life them and convert them to full tankers, some other countries are also interested in buying them especially in South America.
From reports that I had heard, most of the S-3 fleet still have at least half their life left on them, though I could be wrong on this. IMHO both England and France could use these machines in a better way than the USN ever thought of, not only could they used the tankers but also the CS-3 cargo varients as well which were cancelled after only a few were made.
I saw this article down here ion a local defence magazine. The concept is interesting but only the USN could use such ships, they did try and offer them to the RAN but we couldn’t use them due to their size, we don’t have 30 CH-47’s for one ship, we only have six all up!
yeah and they just found the original Iron clads used in the civil war, they are raising them piece by piece, and I hear that they also found the Hunley, that is what I’d like to see!
Navy divers have been called in to do a servey of the hull and find out what problems they might be expecting. The money was just granted about two weeks ago.
Any possibility Cerberus could be raised and restored?
Mate read above again, she is getting raised and restored! 😉
Hey Scoot, great to see you mate, hope things are well for you!
Don’t know if you remember the HMNZS Charles Uppham? She was a huge merchie Container ship that the Kiwi’s bought and were going to convert into a major amphib ship. The idea was sound and the concept drawings looked great but new Zealand ran into two major problems:
1. They couldn’t get enough money to convert the ship to the required standard so asked the rRAN if they could help out, sadly we had just purchased the two LPA’s and had many problems with them. (I remember seeing in one of the conceptual drawings, there were some RAN Seakings on the deck with RNZAF Huey’s).
2. Once in service, the Kiwi’s were not prepared for ops with a ship of this size, they weren’t expecting the amount of roll and pitch she encountered and they tried to solve the problem with using rocks for ballast. In the end she was leased to a Spanish shipping company who used it to transport oranges. In 2001 she was paid off from service.

The biggest lessons learned here was that you need money to operate these ships and you need to have a use for such ships. If you don’t have a requirement for one, then it’s probably best not to get one!
It’s ‘James’ or ‘JDK’ Ja.
Sorry mate, I just get a little rattled when I am accussed of playing games, when I am really trying to find out facts!
As for having a winner out of those two contenders, if it comes down to it, then they are both out classed by the above mentioned vessels of older herritage! Still it is interesting how people have interperated this simple request!
Funny you mentioning the Cerberus, I don’t suppose you’ve heard the latest news on her? She’s to be raised and restored under a hugely ambisious project which has received some $52 million from the federal government, there’s been a huge big write up about it. Sadly I can’t see there being much left after having spent so long in the water there, I saw what was left a few years ago and there are hazard signs all over the place warning people not to go near it, though this doesn’t deter people, I saw many that day jumping off her in to the water, but I hear that a lot of people are sent to hospital each year with bad gashes in their bodies from falling through the steal which has rusted away. I think it would be cheaper to build a replica rather than raise this one. Besides, after they get through with this restoration, she’d be a replica with all the material needed to make her new again.
HMVS Cerberus today:
Back in the glory days:

And here’s a detailed history of the Cerberus.
Sorry. yes it was the Sea Wolf, and I forgot about the VLS. I had heard that they were opting for Russian missiles since they had plenty of stock of them and this was a way to utalise them. Interesting that they went for the Mica’s.
No SuE’s couldn’t launch from any American carrier because American carriers no longer have the Cable type launch system that the SuE’s require, thou I think that if some cables were presupplied to the USN carrier in question they could rig something up.
As far back as the transfer of USS Belleauwood in the early fifties to the MN, the Marien Nasional has maintained a close working relationship with the USN, this was boosted during the 70’s when the UK decided not to go ahead with the CVA-01 project.