Navy has duresdiction here mate and they have a lot of new systems to test out! Let the civvies in blue suits go find their own target and arrest it for their own target practice. Trust me, a couple of Penguines and the Pong Su will just be a Pong 😉
Tin: Mate how can you say it’s over kill? The main reason we chose the MRH-90 over any Blackhawk/Seahawk varient is simply because of the cargo it carries and the troops internally. The Hawks carried two squads, we needed an increase to three squads and an bigger external load.
I forgot to mention a seriously weird design, this is a Powered Glider in Switzerland
Guys I have a book called “The Worlds Strangest Aircraft” by Michael Taylor. You should see some of them.
There is the Burnelli UB-14B of 1935
And there is always the Bv-141 of WWII
And why confine the weird designs of WWII to just germans? Here’s the Westland P12
And from America the Fairchild XC-120 Pack Plane
And what about the Super Guppy, it has to be up there, right?
And then if you want to take a look at the modern equivallent, the Beluga
But in all honesty, if you want really serious weird designs, there is only one place to go, have a chat to Burt Rutan.
Ed: mate what is wrong with discussing a topic that many here are concerned about? Sure some here would love to fight over this topic and it is a shame that they take it the wrong way, but instead of starting a flame war, they should try and help us outside4 the circle understand the process that has become the genisis of such a wonderful little plane with so much potential.
As my fiance says: How we act is a choice between how we feel and how others make us feel. I really would like to understand what has taken so long on this program, but I would not like to offend anyone (especially if they have a nuke that they could shove up my nose).
I personally think that India’s problem is that they want the best all the time (which they have a right to), but fail to realise that to keep on top you have to have something in service already. Updates are a good way of providing a good threat deterance since you have something there already, but to keep wanting the best in a plane that has not even entered service is just rediculous.
China had/has a huge force and would win a war simply by attrition. they already have planes in which to update and progress from. India has truy wasted a full decade trying to get the best tech in the best plane at the best price. I know many Indians and they are really upset with the barganing antics of their government and would rather their government bit the bullet and bought something to show that they have a force to be reckoned with.
Don’t forget guys, after the first prototype crashed (91 IIRC) BAe stepped in with some major help including some redesign work and this is why BAe has some stake in the plane today.
From an Aussie I can say thanks for the pics mate, we haven’t seen the Canberra in our skies for many years (apart from the lone airshow varient that is owned by a museum now and doesn’t fly all the time).
I didn’t see your last set, but will go looking now for them, I give you two thumbs up, well done.
When you look at it, the office is really small isn’t it? I’d hate to get a cramp especially in the nose compartment 😮
Rocky: Mate the AIM-54 was retired from service last year and all stocks destroyed (apart from a few that were cut up and made displays out of). As for the AWG-9, the IRIAF use their Turkeys in a limited AWAC’s role because of this powerful radar.
Flex: mate have you got any pics of this new colour scheme? Grey/yellow sounds interesting.
Considering the retirement of the Viking and the iminant retirement of the Tomcat, don’t you think it would be interesting to combine the systems of the two planes to make a new control bus? there are a number of countries that would love to have something like this in a small plane, Brazil could have a sub hunter that also provides AWAC’s and is capable of being used on the Sao Paulo, Taiwan could kill two birds with one stone and I am sure there would be a market for a plane with these capabilities somewhere else in the world. Besides, who wouldn’t want the camera the F-14 had with that kind of range? 😉
It’s ugly, looks like something out of a bad sci-fi movie
If you ask me the ability of the ADS to only carry 30 aircraft is telling of the relative inexperience that the designers have of producing such large carriers.
It certainly does sound like the thing is basically a big toy doesn’t it?
Scoot: Mate the final nod hasn’t been given yet to an AWD design, only G&C have been selected to design the ship based on what they already have. I have heard that the design that they are looking at has a similar featur to the AB class destroyer but that the AGEIS radar is above the bridge and not below it like on the afore mentioned ship (something about stabilityat sea in a smaller design I heard).
As for what happened in Iraq, before,during and after the war it has no bearing on our decisions today for arms procurment. We’re not like certain other countries in that aspect.
Pred: It is starting to come out mate that one of the core ops on these new ships will be STOVL aircraft support. The Howard government has tried hiding it but there are more and more leaks springing the truth now and the admitance that we are to get some B models, where else do you think that are going to go?
The Spanish ship already have facilities built into it for STOVL ops so like I said before this is providing the lesser risk in design. The French one is only capable of VERT ops so it’s basically in a different class here.
I stand corrected, just hope he does!
Ok so the IN have selected a design “Based on” but not the Cavour. I mean if you are going to operate STOBAR aircraft you need the angled flight deck right?
There are a few concerns I have with what has been mentioned…
I know it’s an old point and we have said it before time and time again, There are four countries who have built carriers bigger that 30Kt: Britain, France, Russia and The United States, why keep persisting that only three countries have done it?
If you want to go back a little further, the KA-6D’s weren’t as good as the old Whales (KA-3 Skywarrior), so let’s not split hairs. Compaired to a fighter operating in a tanker role, these planes would indeed make far better tankers!