There goes my faith in the ADF. Not so much the people in it but in the politicians who don’t listen to what the people who use these toys have to say. If New Zealand had an airforce i’d move there tomorrow, at least they will have a decent navy.
I conceed defeat, well at least I got the number out, any marks for that?
How much higher would the ceiling need to be and couldn’t that be fixed?
Another two meters apparently.
Yep, seems like a somewhat strange limitation for a ship in this size class.
Well I’m sure thatSpain and Australia would work something out should the need prove sufficent enough to warrent CH-47’s being deployed aboard. Like I said, the MRH-90’s should be quite sufficeint in their duties.
Sorry Mate, I really must disagree with you here, Here’s a pic of HMS Velox which is Wolsey’s sister ship and in the same class.

Not the dual level guns. A and B turrets. the pic shown originally has one level forward of the bridge. The bridge structure is all wrong also as are the funnels. The main thing to go by is the dual steam horns attached to the front of the forward funnel.
Now here is the pic of HMS Wallace:
Not the level funnels, the bridge structure and the main giveaway, the forward turret.
It should be known now that this is the favoured design as it offers more troop lift capabilities than the French offer. The French offer does have one advantage though and that it that it can handle CH-47’s in the hanger. The Spainish one can’t, it’s ceiling is too low, but that is now a mute point since we are getting the MRH-90’s.
Also the Aussie LHD’s are not going to be fitted with the Ski jump (that might come later with the F-35B’s).
Ok I think I have found the ship in question.
HMS Wallace it must be… She was the only “Shakespear class” to be upgraded to Fast Escort class with the dual four inch guns in the shielded turret forward. The only thing that gets me is the number on the side :confused:
Chris: I have and abosolutly love SH1, play it on my laptop (mind you I had to make sure I got a P1 laptop to play it). I also have SH2 but I don’t like it much, I saw SH3 a few weeks ago in the games shop but I was in a rush. Now I should have stopped 🙁
Thanks Steve, I was looking for a new and prospective use for the Navys black sheep. The SH-2G(A)’s have not been very widely accepted in Australia, mainly because of how much they are costing, how much trouble they are proving to be and how long they have been set back.
Tiornu: No mate you haven’t missed any and yes I’ve been checking as well. Actually I’ve had a rather extencive look at all the differet types of WWII RN destroyers. The forward deck looks like that of an I class and not a V/W class (mainly because of the gun on the same deck as the bridge, not a two leved gun like most of the other destroyers of that time).
I admit that I am not finished looking yet. but I have detected numbers on the side of the ship. It looks like L 62 but I can’t be sure. I’ve checked L-62 and there is a Hunt Type II class which fits the bill, HMS Croome. but again the forward section is all wrong.
Have you guys seen the Stanflex 100’s? Amazing little tubs, can be crewed by three but are mostly remotely operated. Facinating system.
Here you go guys, I saved it (thought something like this might happen 😉 )
Tiornu: I’m looking into the Flat Sided funnel bit as we speak, so I’ll get back to you on that!
The Ship in the pic is interesting as the turret is a different type to those I have come across in the Admiralty records. Now I’m not fully finished yet, but I am really starting to think that it may be one of our V class from the RAN which spent a fair bit of time up in those waters and were there at Dunkirk! So bare with me on this case.
As for the name- great choice, I’d like to read your story.
I happen to agree with King Jester on this case, sure Chilie is a powerful nation, or will be after the introduction of the Dukes, but why make them more powerful? You also have to remember that Chilie couldn’t get financing for the F-16’s for it’s airforce so where is all this money coming from? Cooper can’t be the only thing providing it’s income!
I feel that all eight ships in the AdC will have a common armourment fitout where this be 3′ guns or 4.5′ guns (though it’s doubtfulif the Dutch ships can carry the 4.5’s). Missiles will take the same form, common across the fleet, though electronics will differ with each ship class. Where they get the money for this common fleet upgrade program is beyond me.
The new OPV’s are an interesting deal, we spoke briefly about them before, Argentina is also looking for some and I posed a question about a joint program to save on costs. Sadly both nations are not in a position to undertake such a venture either monetarily or politically.
Should Chilie look at increasing it’s present down south, they are going to need vessels that are good in the Southern Ocean and also they are going to have to imporve their amphib fleet and their refueling fleet.
Are they also going to buy new helos of operate off these ships? The UK has a few spare Lynx that are for sale, I’ve just been reading about them (Aparently no one bought a couple that were up for sale so the tender process has been extended).
Interesting and exciting times for the AdC, but money is my main concern
Well neither is the Standard Phalanx that they have mounted on top of the hanger currently 😉
Besides the Sea Zen’s have a much superior field of fire.
Thanks for the clarification Tiornu (Interesting anme by the way- where’s it from)?
The Wair conversion refers to the W class receiving an upgraded anti air armourment mainly to counter the FW-200 Condor attacks in the North Atlantic (W class, Air action vessel), as soon as I find a reference to this, I’ll post it (I only know this because my grandfather told me about these ships, he was a merchie during the war).
Mast: you raise a good question mate (and the english was just fine 😉 ). The new Danish design is an idea and I think it would be as capable as a dedicated desing. From what I can see of the Flyvefisken design, it’s interchangable like a MEKO and from what I understand, this change can be undertaken in a matter of hours, this will allow a small navy to field a wide range of tools in a small number of hulls and training a small number of crew to multi task or deploy specialised crews for the interchangable modules (ASW, ASuW, surveillance, mine hunting/laying) but have standard crews for the normal ship operations and running (Cooks, Bridge staff, machinery crew). Electrical crew would change also with the changing of the modules since many would specialise on those weapons systems, but a general crew could stay with a ship.