If you read what I have been saying you will see that is what I have been saying!!!!
Sorry that must have been the point where I lost the will to live π
For authors of such high regards, to air your dirty washing on this forum is not doing any of you a favour.
Can I suggest you move it to the realms of PM’s or Email.
I found this while clearing up our library yesterday. While not able to bring the debate over which was the better gun platform to a conclusion, it adds a bit more to the fact that the Spitfire, while a superb aircraft, was not without its faults.
I would consider this chap to be an authority, he fought in both the Battle of France and Britain on Hurricanes and went on to be instrumental in testing the Typhoon and Tempest, which he took into battle with 609 Sqn. He was also part of the team that evaluated captured enemy aircraft and after the war he played a major part in developing the Lightning, Canberra, TSR2, Jaguar and Tornado. So I guess he knew something about aircraft.
Apart from the common faults, noted by most pilots who flew the Spitfire, i.e heavy ailerons at higher speeds, the poor forward view while taxying etc…. He also noted the following
The ailerons were pleasantly light at low combat speeds but all controls heavied up considerably above 300 mph, and with the prevailing turbulance and in sharp combat manoeuvring directional stability was marginal and seemed likely to interfere with gun-aiming.
Switching on the GM2 gunsight I picked out a target and made some attacking passes varying the speed from 220 to 320 mph, and this confirmed the very limited vision over the long nose and through the restricted windscreen, and also that directional damping was indeed poor and resulted in excessive wander of the gunsight aiming point around the target in the prevailing rough air.
Indeed,not really necessary for an aircrew memorial, they were all good ppl doing there job. Not giving them a campaign medal was disgraceful as well.
So the 55,000 lost on sorties to Europe don’t deserve to be remembered in this way, because :-
they were all good ppl doing there job
Having a statue of Arthur Harris though is plain wrong and should be removed in my opinion.
Why ???? Wasn’t he just doing his job as well ????
The Lancaster also participated in a special service at Lincoln Cathedral today:-
Went over to Guernsey three weeks ago to a friends wedding. I took the camera along and took some snaps from around the island.
Was it a “Local” wedding, how did your friends sister look as the bride ??? Guernsey, one of only a few places in the world that has an annual doesn’t look a like Competition.
You never hear Guernsey folk say give me a high five, usual a high six.
Did you find eating in one of the local cafes or restaurants an un-nerving experience. News would have got around quickly and many of the locals would have flocked to press their noses against the cafe window to see the “stranger” using a knife and fork.
There’s nothing more unusual than seeing the “Donkey” folk, trying to eat soup with a fork.
Went over to Guernsey three weeks ago to a friends wedding. I took the camera along and took some snaps from around the island.
Was it a “Local” wedding, how did your friends sister look as the bride ??? Guernsey, one of only a few places in the world that has an annual doesn’t look a like Competition.
You never hear Guernsey folk say give me a high five, usual a high six.
Did you find eating in one of the local cafes or restaurants an un-nerving experience. News would have got around quickly and many of the locals would have flocked to press their noses against the cafe window to see the “stranger” using a knife and fork.
There’s nothing more unusual than seeing the “Donkey” folk, trying to eat soup with a fork.
Does anybody know what the loss ratio percentage to type strength was for both types during the battle.
Isn’t Google a wonderful tool ????
The nineteen Spitfire squadrons operating during the Battle of Britain are credited by recent research with 521 victories (an average of just over 27 per squadron) and a victory-to-loss ratio of 1.8. In comparison, the thirty fully engaged Hurricane squadrons are credited with 655 victories (an average of just under 22 per squadron) and with a victory-to-loss ratio of 1.34
Without RDF, we would have been wiped out. Without an Intergrated Command and Control System, We would have been Wiped out. Without the ROC (As Chain Home could not track targets over land), We would have been wiped out.
Are you quoting from fact ????
Yes each part of the infrastructure had it’s to play, however to say that if one wasn’t in place or lost, the Battle would have been lost, is ludicrous. With hindsight itβs easy to make claims like that, because the history books have always put a lot of emphasis on the role that RDF played. Without RDF it may/would have meant a rethinking of tactics, possibly pulling Squadrons further in land to give them, that extra bit of time to form up, possibly running standing patrols along the south coast. In any case the Luftwaffe still had to cross 20 miles of water, and if the Squadrons had been pulled back, then to reach their targets they would have had to cross that 50 β 100 miles of extra land, remember in the initial stages the RAF bases were the intended targets.
I wonder if this had happened if the High Command would have done exactly as they did with the V1 threat, create a belt of antiaircraft along the south coast ???? Mind you V1βs were travelling a lot lower than your average JU88 or HE111.
apparently the Hurricane was a “stable gun platform” ,what happens to the Spitfire when its guns are fired? I’ve never heard it said that the Spitfire fell out of the sky everytime the gun button was pressed! so one can only presume, it too was a stable gun platform.
Not quite Stuart, the Hurricanes 8 guns were banked together in blocks of 4 in each wing, this and the fact that the Hurricane had a thinker wing profile made it a much better gun platform than the Spifire, which with a much thinner profile and the eight guns being spread out along the length of the wing, one inner to the fuselage two mid wing and one further our made the Spitfire less stable, as any pilot who has flown both types in Combat would attest to.
I believe the Spitfire would vibrate quite considerably when it’s guns were fired in comparision to the Hurricane, which would make it slightly more difficult for the pilot to keep a bead on his intended target.
Do you get many Westland Whirlwind 1s round Jersey way these days, Ian? π
No, mores the pity. Unfortunately targets would be few and far between π
Some splendid panned shots there but If you’re not careful, these aerobuses will start to grow on you. π
I doubt that. There was a time 25 years ago when I would cycle to Bristol Airport to watch anything that flew. Today I prefer the old, rare and unusual. I don’t begrudge anyone they particular vein of interest when it comes to aviation, though I do find the collecting of serial numbers odd, what happens to them once they’ve been collected ??????
Had some spare time today “again”, the present Mrs En830 is in the UK for the weekend once again, which rather oddly coinsides with the milkman being away, again. Shame real I miss him delivering our milk in a morning.
Any how, I took time out to photograph some Aerobuses again, I tried a few different angles and shutter speeds.
Here are the results.







Great shots Muflon
Mantong,
I have been doing some maths recantly (yes forumites i can do maths) and i have worked out a few interesting things.
Pity you didn’t spend a bit more time learning to spell.
does anyone have any fotos of an aircraft known as a supermarine spiteful? does it exist? (and no i dont mean spitfire)
Isn’t Google a wonderful tool ???




does anyone have any fotos of an aircraft known as a supermarine spiteful? does it exist? (and no i dont mean spitfire)
Isn’t Google a wonderful tool ???
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alemarinel/Spitfire/SpitefulPrototype.jpg
http://www.kanzhongguo.com/news/news_images/20064/2006_4_7_The_494_mph_Supermarine_Spiteful.jpg
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/jpg/supermarine%20spiteful.jpg