j_jza80Here’s a different slant on the issue; What would you do in their position? (That’s not aimed specifically at you Moggy, but everyone contributing to this thread)
Not all of these migrants are from war zones. Some are escaping famine, many others just looking for opportunities because none exist at home.
Does that mean we have an obligation to accept everyone who comes here? How many of these guys, who purposefully destroy their passports and mutilate (for want of a better word) their own finger tips to avoid being traced are criminals and extremists? Perhaps even war criminals.
I’m not saying that all, or even a majority of these migrants are any of those things, but surely this is why we must not allow people to just turn up and expect entry.
j_jza80Here’s a different slant on the issue; What would you do in their position? (That’s not aimed specifically at you Moggy, but everyone contributing to this thread)
Not all of these migrants are from war zones. Some are escaping famine, many others just looking for opportunities because none exist at home.
Does that mean we have an obligation to accept everyone who comes here? How many of these guys, who purposefully destroy their passports and mutilate (for want of a better word) their own finger tips to avoid being traced are criminals and extremists? Perhaps even war criminals.
I’m not saying that all, or even a majority of these migrants are any of those things, but surely this is why we must not allow people to just turn up and expect entry.
j_jza80No, i’m suggesting we start projecting and planning our future population size, factor in the indigenous birthrate as much as possible, and have a strict immigration quota in future based on sustainable figures, skills shortages etc. I fully get your point about migrants being skilled, and we should welcome them when we have need of those skills. But I’m afraid we already have a surplus of unskilled people here, we don’t need to be bolstering their ranks.
I would not suggest for a second that we start deporting people. Well, as you mentioned before, I would be happy to take citizenship away from immigrants who actively dislike our country, and giving it to someone who wants to come here and better themselves and the country.
Those geriatrics have done their part. Well, some have 😀
j_jza80No, i’m suggesting we start projecting and planning our future population size, factor in the indigenous birthrate as much as possible, and have a strict immigration quota in future based on sustainable figures, skills shortages etc. I fully get your point about migrants being skilled, and we should welcome them when we have need of those skills. But I’m afraid we already have a surplus of unskilled people here, we don’t need to be bolstering their ranks.
I would not suggest for a second that we start deporting people. Well, as you mentioned before, I would be happy to take citizenship away from immigrants who actively dislike our country, and giving it to someone who wants to come here and better themselves and the country.
Those geriatrics have done their part. Well, some have 😀
j_jza80To really move things on in terms of performance, it would probably be necessary to make in an unmanned drone. The accompanying reduction is size, and without the human g-force limitations, you could make something ultra fast and ultra maneuverable. Small size, stealth, super cruise and all aspect missiles would make it a formidable opponent.
The tradeoff is that it would also be heavily reliant on other assets, but fighters generally are now.
j_jza80That’s a good article. I fully acknowledge the vital role in which migrants play in our country, with of course the added benefits of multiculturalism (and the range of different foods it has brought here 😀 )
But the signs are all around that we are already badly overcrowded. The roads in this country are a nightmare, property is unaffordable to most and our public services can’t cope. What is the answer? Build all over our countryside? No thought is being given to the sustainability of these huge increases in our population. When we already suffer one of the highest population densities in the world, why should we have to take more? France especially has a much lower population density than us, why can’t they give these people homes?
Eventually, we will sink under the weight of our own generosity.
j_jza80That’s a good article. I fully acknowledge the vital role in which migrants play in our country, with of course the added benefits of multiculturalism (and the range of different foods it has brought here 😀 )
But the signs are all around that we are already badly overcrowded. The roads in this country are a nightmare, property is unaffordable to most and our public services can’t cope. What is the answer? Build all over our countryside? No thought is being given to the sustainability of these huge increases in our population. When we already suffer one of the highest population densities in the world, why should we have to take more? France especially has a much lower population density than us, why can’t they give these people homes?
Eventually, we will sink under the weight of our own generosity.
j_jza80Why is the term ‘unskilled labour’ being assumed here? The few I have heard interviewed included a dentist and an electronics engineer.
Which begs the question; why aren’t they using the proper channels? Surely highly skilled people have no issue getting working Visas? And why should they get priority over people from all over the world who go through the considerable effort of the legitimate visa system?
We went through all this years ago when the Asians were kicked out of Uganda. They have by and large integrated into our society, and are economic drivers, not a cost on the state.
The prison system statistics based on ethnicity and religion suggest all is not as well as it seems…
The main problem is sustainability. We are not capable of feeding everyone who lives here as it is, we are destroying our environment and increasing the numbers of people living here will only make things worse. What is the limit to our population? 75 million? 100 million? 150 million? because unless we start indiscriminately deporting people, that is what will happen eventually going by current trends.
j_jza80Why is the term ‘unskilled labour’ being assumed here? The few I have heard interviewed included a dentist and an electronics engineer.
Which begs the question; why aren’t they using the proper channels? Surely highly skilled people have no issue getting working Visas? And why should they get priority over people from all over the world who go through the considerable effort of the legitimate visa system?
We went through all this years ago when the Asians were kicked out of Uganda. They have by and large integrated into our society, and are economic drivers, not a cost on the state.
The prison system statistics based on ethnicity and religion suggest all is not as well as it seems…
The main problem is sustainability. We are not capable of feeding everyone who lives here as it is, we are destroying our environment and increasing the numbers of people living here will only make things worse. What is the limit to our population? 75 million? 100 million? 150 million? because unless we start indiscriminately deporting people, that is what will happen eventually going by current trends.
j_jza80Over supply? Listen to the employers who say the locals will not take the jobs!
Because the wages are being suppressed! It’s very basic supply and demand. The demand for labour would be there, but because of the lack of supply, the price increases. In this instance, wages.
Mass immigration is tolerated for the benefit of the tories and the red tories mates in the city, exploiting workers.
j_jza80Over supply? Listen to the employers who say the locals will not take the jobs!
Because the wages are being suppressed! It’s very basic supply and demand. The demand for labour would be there, but because of the lack of supply, the price increases. In this instance, wages.
Mass immigration is tolerated for the benefit of the tories and the red tories mates in the city, exploiting workers.
j_jza80Please wipe the spittle off your screen, you’ve been getting over excited and started making obvious mistakes again. And lots of these migrants work in low paid positions such as cleaners or crop pickers – the kind of jobs which many unemployed Britons still regard as being beneath them.
That ISN’T a good thing. The oversupply of unskilled labour is suppressing wages, which would otherwise have to increase to a level that people would find attractive.
j_jza80Please wipe the spittle off your screen, you’ve been getting over excited and started making obvious mistakes again. And lots of these migrants work in low paid positions such as cleaners or crop pickers – the kind of jobs which many unemployed Britons still regard as being beneath them.
That ISN’T a good thing. The oversupply of unskilled labour is suppressing wages, which would otherwise have to increase to a level that people would find attractive.
j_jza80Can I just say I’m not greatly impressed by some of the views expressed above. Too Daily Mail / Express. Not enough humanity.
My humanity/tolerance towards these migrants started faltering as soon as they started inflicting misery on the country they want to enter. Intimidating/threatening truck drivers, vandalizing the trucks and security fences etc etc.
If they are genuine asylum seekers, why aren’t they claiming asylum in France, Italy, Spain or Greece? Once citizens of an EU country, they would then be able to travel freely to the UK.
We have the third highest population density of any of the major nations of the EU. We have one of the highest population densities of any developed nation in the world. We cannot keep importing people en masse. Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Poland etc all have far lower population densities than us, let them share the burden.
And at a time when we are still teetering on the brink of national bankruptcy, is it wise to start importing literally thousands of net recipients of the treasury?
And what of those people from allover the world, who try to come here legitimately? These people in Calais are making a mockery of them and us.
j_jza80Can I just say I’m not greatly impressed by some of the views expressed above. Too Daily Mail / Express. Not enough humanity.
My humanity/tolerance towards these migrants started faltering as soon as they started inflicting misery on the country they want to enter. Intimidating/threatening truck drivers, vandalizing the trucks and security fences etc etc.
If they are genuine asylum seekers, why aren’t they claiming asylum in France, Italy, Spain or Greece? Once citizens of an EU country, they would then be able to travel freely to the UK.
We have the third highest population density of any of the major nations of the EU. We have one of the highest population densities of any developed nation in the world. We cannot keep importing people en masse. Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Poland etc all have far lower population densities than us, let them share the burden.
And at a time when we are still teetering on the brink of national bankruptcy, is it wise to start importing literally thousands of net recipients of the treasury?
And what of those people from allover the world, who try to come here legitimately? These people in Calais are making a mockery of them and us.
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