Also is this ALL BA flights going to T5 or just internatinoal/selected domestic.
Some spanish flights will be operated from T3 along with (I think) some Japanese ones (?)
See my post #36 above.
Terminal 2 will close when terminal 5 opens.
This is due to the reduced amount of traffic
I was under the impression that T2 was closing and being demolished to make way for the new Heathrow East Terminal, not because of lack of traffic.
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Kevin,
Do you mean classes or cabin sections?
If you mean classes, BA’s shorthaul aircraft all have Club Europe/Euro Traveller convertable seating in the front end of the cabin and straightforward Euro Traveller seating at the rear. European routes operate with a two class cabin using a flexible cabin divider which can be placed anywhere that there is convertable seating. Domestic routes operate with a one class cabin.
If you mean cabin sections the 757 has 3. From the front to the galley at the 2 doors are rows 2 to 9, from there to the toilets at the 3 doors are rows 11 to 24, and from there to the back are rows 26 to 34, with a total of 180 seats in an all economy config. The 321 really just has one big cabin, divided only by the flexible cabin divider and gaps where the 2 and 3 doors are, with a total of 195 seats in an all economy config.
I hope this answers what you were looking for, if not let me know.
1L.
jobs will go and will continue to do so.
Yes, you are absolutely right, but right across the company not just at check-in, and not just as direct result of SSCI. You seem to think that the terminals are going to become ghost towns, devoid of human life except for passengers scratching their heads in front of blank check-in screens. This certainly is not the case.
If the low cost airlines keep eating into BA’s profits
They may keep BA on its toes, but as the worlds most profitable airline for several years and on target for the same this year I don’t think the loco’s have quite beaten BA yet.
they may be looking at pilot reductions soon
And this would concern me for what reason? If you look at my profile you’ll see I’m cabin crew.
Now that would be funny!
Hysterical.
1L.
Was told when they were introduced that they were to replace the 757 European routes, which would free up the 757 for domestic routes
Having 13 757s and only 7 321s would make that plan difficult, and I’m not aware that this was ever the specific aim, other than in the sense that one day the Airbus fleet (319, 320 & 321) will replace everything else on shorthaul.
1L.
You can’t take this single subject in isolation as it connected to the fact that the British Airways staff pension fund has a HUGE hole in it and how the company intend to deal with that fact. It is however convenient that forthcoming changes in European law make it easy for BA to up the retirement age, which suits the needs of the pension, whilst claiming that they can’t avoid doing so.
This is simply one part of an 8 part plan to plug the pension deficit without costing the company any more.
Kevin is right in that the pilot community feels very strongly about the subject of pensions, and it will be interesting to see their reaction to the companies proposals which we were advised of only yesterday.
One irony in this is that last year a group of about 25 cabin crew who were coming up to retirement at 55 approached the company to ask for the option to stay on until 60 and were flatly refused!
1L.
Chris,
The fast bag drop desks are really just check-in desks being used for another purpose, and they need the same number of staff, so yes ‘counter staff’ would be retained. The idea of staff reductions as a direct result of this was suggested earlier in the thread but is unlikely. If there was a mass problem with the self-service kiosks the desks and staff would just revert to being regular check-in desks.
The kiosks are always manned by check-in staff to show anyone that is unsure how to use them, and they really are easy to use. My 75 year old parents managed with them unaided.
They are now THE most popular way to check-in so they can’t be that bad, I really don’t see any problems resulting from this.
1L.
Scanor,
You would see BA 321s at OSL as it operates from T4 at LHR. Since their introduction the 321s have only operated T4 routes, but are now to start operating T1 routes too.
The MIA is the only route that operates from LHR T3. What I imagine you saw were 747s at T1 operating the HKG, JNB, LAX,SFO and NRT routes.
In another current thread you will see that BA will (fairly) shortly be moving to T5.
1L.
as well as the above
Not sure where you are coming from Peter.
Apart from the possible reduction in staff numbers which bit of “the above” do you really think might come true?
1L.
I wouldn’t say considerable.
The main T5 building (T5A) has no ability to be expanded, but there is scope in the design of the satellite buildings (T5B and later T5C) to allow for additional gates to be added at the ends.
Talking about the operation, not the building!
1L.
I take it these changes aren’t in the timetables yet as I can’t see any A321s in the schedules. Hopefully they won’t change any of the B752 flights to EDI, currently showing as 4 B752s a day to EDI.
Presumably they will they be doing European destinations from T1 too?
They do show up on the downloadable timetable.
Don’t think it’s going to EDI.
I would guess it will do European destinations, but as I said, not sure.
1L.
Ok guys, checked at work. T5 will 100% certain only be BA. A key part of BA’s agreements with the BAA is for exclusive use of the terminal, and I might say we are paying through the nose for that agreement, both in monetary terms and conditions. The rest of Oneworld will be at T3, but I don’t know if that will be exclusively Oneworld.
When T5 opens only one satellite will open so for upto the first couple of years some flights will operate from T3. At the moment this is planned to be South America and Spain (to link in with IB) but has not been finalised. Once the second satellite opens all BA flights will operate from T5, shorthaul from the main terminal and longhaul from the two satellites.
Also T5 is indeed big enough for the whole BA operation, and has room for some considerable expansion as and when it’s needed.
1L.
Well, how do you follow that? Great to hear that we have such a fan.
Just one thing to appeal to your obvious sense of detail. The only 737 to have the Whale Rider tail was a -200 series which left the fleet many years ago. What I believe you saw was A320 G-MEDA of our partner airline BMED, which would have been in the hangar area around the time of her withdrawal from the fleet in early February.
Enjoy your journey home,
1L.
That’s not quite the case.
As before the aircraft and flight crew are provided by mainline BA.
You probably know that the British Airways Regional (BAR) operation was incorporated into BA CitiExpress (BACX), now BA Connect. The BACX crew now fly the BA connect fleet, while the BAR crew operate only the 767 on the JFK route.
So to answer you question Aircraft: Mainline, Flight Crew: Mainline, Cabin Crew: Connect.
1L.
nice shot of the BA A319, me tinks that our very own OneLeft was onboard!
Me tinks you are right!
1L.
Is it possible to tell the difference between a 757 and a 737 from inside the cabin, given that they both have the same cross-section?
Can be difficult, but if you know the airline things like gallies, toilets, doors and overwing exits might give you clues.
For example in the Air Europe pic if you look very closely you can see the overwing exits and exit signs. Their 757’s didn’t have overwings, hence 737.
1L.