crobatoso using your logic, no aircraft ever had any corrosion?
the reason the engine nacelles are left bare is purely due to the heat involved, and the risk of it catching fire.
even heatproof paint blisters off eventually.even where aircraft have APU’s you’ll find that usually the are around the exhaust is bare metal, and either made of titanium or steel.
titanium is often used around engines as its far more fire proof and heat resistant than alloy.
Are you sure it is Titanium? It may be heat resistant but not that heat resistant. Given the color of the metal housings, I would expect it was made of Nickel based alloys.
crobatoand how much will it cost to build two western equivalent plants? u can get only one for price of two russians.
they are the most advanced one in China now and thats they won in Bulgaria winning from Areva and westinghouse.
Most advanced in China now? What a joke. Areva and Westinghouse wasn’t in the running at that time.
u said that Sukhoi has confirmed it. so provide that information.
I don’t have to confirm to you as apparently you are the only one in the world that does not seem to know this. This is already a matter of public record in Sinodefense, SIPRI, Global Sec, Scramble.nl, Janes and other publications.
keep dreaming about it.If China would have been capable of doing. it would have directly provided aircraft to Israel. why go through Russian certification process first time and keep delaying the deal by 2 years which ultimately killed it.?
China provided the aircraft directly to Israel. The plane wasn’t certified or modified by the Russians.
because they exported down graded radars to poor client states which can be easily jammed. and what Indian input is in Malaysian and Algerian Bars? they dont need any one.
You really don’t know do you? There were things in BARS that wasn’t working right and the Indians had to fix it. So yeah, the code goes to the Malaysian and Algerian planes as well.
Sweden isnt a country which is signing confidentiallity agreement to hide military technical cooperation. Gripen international participation is obvious.
So I challenge you. Is Gripen an indigenous Swedish plane or not?
how many NATO F-16s are MLUed in new assembly line in US? and where is USAF APG-68(v9)?
Many of the MLUs are done in LM and so are the Block 50/52 upgrades.
why it has to be americans and even that stealing of knowledge is possible.
You really cannot answer do you?
India does not have faith because they know A-50 technolgoy is sold to China. the same way they dont have faith in S-300 either.
Lol. You just pulled that out of your ass. For the same token, they should not trust Phalcon then because it is more likely the source of the KJ-2000 technology.
not necessary. u can just make more money from licensing upfront rather than waiting for it. by ur logic no car manufacture has make plants in China as they can direclty sell it and make more profit.
Wrong. I have never seen a pure arms technology transfer agreement that amounts to arms deals that exceed or match hundreds of millions of dollars. Even the Japanese F-2 agreement requires significant importation from LM and GE.
GM does not license its cars in China or around the world. It builds them in partnership with local firms or set up a plant of its own. Even then, the local subsidiary has to purchase kits from parent company.
You really don’t know about business do you? You open up a McDonald’s. They don’t transfer you even the formula to make the cooking oil. You have to buy buckets of lard straight from the main corporation itself.
If you open up a Coke bottling plant, does Coke ever share you the secret formula or recipe? No. You still have to buy the concentrate from them.
i know the answer i just dont want o spoon feeding u for free. u havent provided any thing to back ur claims.
I don’t have to back up my claims because everyone already knows about it, the 38 Su-30MKKs both in the first and second order are public knowledge, and that’s officially registered.
But you have to back up your claim about China’s military industrial complex having more people than any other complex in the world.
u never understood my statement thats why u put irrelevant links. these people are educated and worked in West and has consumed that knowledge and thats why they got that position. They didnot bring that knowledge from China. China is not capable of producing that knowledge that is consumed by West or Russia.
What an idiot. You are backpedaling your statements.
This is what you said:
Originally Posted by star49
where is failure? i havent seen chinese nobel winner even in western countries.
You are now a proven liar.
crobatothe bigger the power plant the more advanced it is. 2300 euros per kwh for 1000MW plant.
And what a project. China and Russia signed up on this back in 1998 when other countries are reluctant because Tiananmen was still fresh when the negotiations occured. The project has balloned in cost from 2.5 billion to 3.2 billion, and now there are reports of corrosion in steam pipes.
The bigger the power plant does not necessarily means it is more advanced. We look at the size in relation to power, and then the safety features.
where is confirmation.
Check with Sukhoi, boy.
only factory can produce a better upgrade. aerodynamics effect more a plane than car. have u ever thought of putting 2.5meter high dome with 11m dia having effect on fuel consumption, speed.
Bull. You can deal with aerodynamics by studying it closely with an air tunnel and technology demonstrators. Fuel consumption? You care dealing with a cargo aircraft that can hold tons of fuel. Structural modification? The dome is being added externally, not internally. You need to identify the strongest part of the aircraft frame to attach it and consequently strengthen, which is of course, in the spine of the plane where it cross sections with the main wing spars. That’s too obvious.
there so many radars that russia produce better than any one else u have to look around.
Really? And in every post war, Russian supplied radars were easily jammed. India had to give its input to “fix” the Bars radar and the Brahmos seeker. Not one of China’s civil airport radars are Russian; all are either Western or domestic.
u can put FC-1/J-10 picture on chinese website but it wont change the reality that they are not indigenous. and what does AAM has to do with radar.
Bull. The FC-1 and the J-10 are made in one country. By your definition, the Gripen isn’t Swedish indigenous.
Poland ordered in 2003. and Taiwan was winding down by 1999. there was no other new orders at 1999 period so u have to wait 5 years for first aircraft.
Wow, and you somehow forgot all those NATO MLUs and USAF Block 50/52 upgrades going on.
but the knowledge to produce these come from out side. either from WEST or Russia. China is consumer of knowledge not a producer.
Lol. Your ignorance of technological development is staggering. All Western and foreign input can give you are directions and clues. In actual development work, you have to take all the steps and sweat yourself.
Nope. U hire external people to build it for u.
Really? And who? Americans?
how much u know latest Berieve A-50? that has more than 1000km range and one is enough for entire country. what makes u think ur sensor fusion is indigenous when no other thing is indigenous.
Is it already flying? Is it already certified? Or is it just market brochure. I don’t think India has much faith on the pure Russian A-50 either, since they are opting for the Phalcon.
J-10 is not officially released so how can u so sure about FBW. just by looks.
What an idiot. If you know enough about active delta canards, you would know that the only possible way this layout could leave the ground is with a good FBW.
why will it cut there profits? they profit by selling the technolgy and later building better technolgoy using that money to sell it again on technology deficient countries.
Bull. You don’t have any idea about the reality of business. Selling tech and information and even licensing will earn you far less than selling an entire material product.
why kanwa has to say that? it is pretty obvious. U combine Boeing/LM and all others and there employment will not reach to Chinese level. just google it and u will find the answer.
Google it yourself asshole. Give me the actual numbers hired by the so called Chinese military industrial establishment as a whole.
crobatowhere is failure? i havent seen chinese nobel winner even in western countries.
What a racist fool.
Want to know some Chinese nobel prize winners?
http://www.nobel-winners.com/Physics/samuel_chao_chung_ting.html
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1997/index.html
crobatoNice picture…. from a friend
From a Chinese website? I also saw that pic there. And this…
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/pic/2006-12-08/2279307_544674539.jpg
crobatohmm i don’t really care for the white radome and fin tips.. shoulda made it light grey or dark grey like the Indonesian one
The Indo plane is just MKK. The white tips and nose is there to “distinguish” the plane from the normal MKK. The PLANAF MK2s are also white tip and nose while the PLAAF MKKs are still grey only for that reason.
crobatoThis plane has the same paint job of the Su-30MK2 that was displayed in a hanger in a photo that used to be posted at military.people.com.cn months ago. (People’s Daily website).
I like the way it looks.
crobatoFor China I would go with the 052C followed by the 052B and 054A. I don’t really look at the 052C as an AEGIS. More like a floating S-300 battery with sensor fusion and with antiship missiles that look like Tactical Tomahawks to boot. The ship seems to have an incredible wide range of sensors that we have only begun to scratch.
For India, I would go with the Talwars, then the Delhis.
If it is just for looks, I would go with the Sov EM and the original 054s and 051, 052, and 052B for China, Delhi for India. I just love their cluttered looks.
crobatoThe american democracy of 1776 was not the same the US has now in fact in 1776 the idea of democracy in the US considered slavery as a normal practice. it was more related to the ancient greek idea of democracy than today`s democracy concept practice in the US.
We dont have a democracy the way the Greeks defined it, and which operationally becomes tyranny by the majority or simply put mob rule.
Roman Republican government is essentially rulership by a feudal elite, that eventually led to autocracy.
What we have now is actually representative government. In representative government, smaller political entities elect their rulers which in turn, elect the higher ups. For me, parliamentary goverment is the current and more practiced form of representative goverment now. Personally I think the US representative system is flawed.
Representative government has its origins in the most primitive societies—your tribes, nomads that filled the world before “civilization’ sets in. That’s why it is so inherently fundamental. The basic belief of representation predates even before we have civilization to actually screw this up.
crobatoso u think it was done by chinese?
why u in such big denial?. the most advanced are the two NPP tainwan. there are pictures floating on kommersant.
Those run down power plants? What a joke.
offocourse u have pictures of everything. seeing Chinese deception of things. u cannot presume from first to last.
Again, you are a joke. Sukhoi has confirmed the number of orders and they match those in the regiments.
rebuilding does not equal upgrading. u can only rebuild untill the point of original. the rest u have to steal.
Demonstrate me your ignorance once again. By your reasoning, you cannot upgrade or modify a car because only the factory knows how to do this.
studying from israelis? (most of sanitized stuff for export after US sort it out)
Israel’s stuff can be regarded as US material that has been value added or added their own input. I have a hard time seeing Russian avionics and radars to be any better than Israel’s.
Vedomosti, July 11, 2005, p. A3
BS. Especially when you don’t have the sales disclosures to back this. There is a clear lack of Russian AAMs sighted with J-10s and Zhemchug does not host PL-12 either, which is another missile sighed with J-10s. The presence of a J-10 image in http://www.nriet.com.cn confirms the origin of the J-10’s radar.
the same u can say about any block of F-16. and in late nighties there werent that many orders so u have to wait 5 years for first aircraft. show me waiting list in 1999? only Israel, Greek with UAE development F-16E ordersl.
Taiwan orders were still not finished in 1999. Poland has orders too. There are also many upgrades occuring with NATO (MLU) and US Block 50/52 F-16s.
the bottom line China cannot make anything out of its own. It can only license, copy other countries stuff.
JH-7 licensed? The Song licensed? The Han licensed?
so do u think this knowledge come out from Chinese Universities. offcourse they have taken literature from West and than used russian to build for them after failing to do by themselves.
Really? I can build an AEGIS like destroyer just by reading literature?
When did the Russians have 3 or 4 array sensor data fusion like you see in the 052C or the KJ-2000? I certainly don’t see sensor fusion in the RIF-M. Lol even the Beriev latest A-50 is hosting an Israeli radar.
It is not against there commercial and strategic interest as they have already found out China capabilities.
You never confront the failure of your logic do you?
again more hearsay.
Yup from someone who is acquianted with fly by wire systems.
http://www.royfc.com/acft_news_old_nov4.html#01dec
The airplane is being equipped with a new modern avionics complex (KBO), which is based on the latest achievements of Russian science
And you actually believe that? I have a hard time that Sukhoi is even capable of designing and certifying a totally brand new fighter jet that isn’t something rehash on what they did during the Soviet Union.
they havent been droped. it is become miltary-technical cooperation so continue employment for defence industries people.
You just pulled this out of your ass, did you? In other words, the Russians want to cut their profits by giving away their technology. Honestly I don’t think anyone other than you believes this.
China has world largest Military-Industrial complex interms of manpower and greatest amount interms of PPP but net result if only copying 1980s era tech at best. this from Kanwa defence chief editor that u want people to believe on it.
Did the KANWA defense editor say that? When did China have the largest military industrial complex eh? Give me some figures. Or I can just say you are just pulling this out of your ass.
crobatoRussia never allowed outside party to do the modification. and u havent seen picture of upgraded A-50 so u cannot make conclusion. and they are the ones doing it for IAF A-50I.
But who did it for the PLAAF A-50I, the airframe that was sent to Israel?
are u sure about those two big ones that russia built just ones. where is ur GE/Westinghouse plant with transfer of technology. u can only make 300MW by urself.
Which ones the Russians built? They did not build anything in China. GE, Westinghouse and French companies have built nuclear reactor plants in China.
and have u seen the number on all the tails so how u conclude there exact number.
Yes, we have seen enough pictures on the number of tails to conclude the number is correct. The fact that we know the last number in the planes in the first regiment was 19, because we know the next number, 20, was in a different regiment. 19+19 = 38. Exactly what Sukhoi themselves later revealed.
Rebuilding doesnot mean upgradation.
Bull. If you can rebuild them, you know enough to upgrade them.
which international media u are referring to? and again it is technolgy behind the radars.
What technology does Russia have in those slotted array radars that is better than what the Chinese can get from studying the Israelis?
F-16I is the advance Block 52 not the standard one from ealry 90s. and why it took 5 years for first aircraft to deliver.
Lol. You’re really stupid. The Block 52 has been upgraded all these years, and many of the technologies also appeared in the F-16 MLU. Thus the Block 52+ is just a collection of all the previous upgrades into one brand new airframe. The reason why it took years to come out is because the company has a long waiting list on the planes.
how do u kow?
Conflict of interest. Russia isn’t going to tech transfer something they can sell directly for more profit. That means they won’t tech transfer the engine and certainly they didn’t, and they won’t tech transfer the radar for the same reason. Time and time again, it is clearly stated the Russians did not and would not transfer engine tech to China as this is against both their commercial and strategic interest.
The Iron Bird FBW has been shown in exhibits before and someone has said it resembles the Lear Siegler system used in F-16s and the Lavi.
75km is the range of the JL-7A and Type 208A according to Chinese websites.
They have zero credibility.
Lol and you think you’re credible?
Than JH-7 should have western involvement. since Nixon 1971 visit. the bottom line is China can do nothing by itself. either it has to take from Russia or West.
The bottomline now is that China makes it all by itself from engine to radar.
As for Western involvment, you think that projects like the 052C destroyers have Western involvement despite having an AEGIS like four sided radar with data fusion? I don’t think the US had direct involvement in teaching the Chinese on this, and neither did the Swedes for the KJ-200 AWACS.
The Chinese studied extensively from sources in the West, gathering information by hook or crook. That alone may be enough to get the project going without direct Western involvement or tutorial. Projects like the Han and Xia class subs were developed without any Russian and Western involvement. So did the Chinese sending their first satellite into space, testing their first IRBM and ICBM, or exploding their own H-Bomb.
there alot others whos views are different.
have u seen this from 1994. now it is 2006 and not a single item is mastered
Bull. With regards to night vision in helicopters, the PLA certainly has them for some time before. Now it is 2006 and a lot of items have been mastered which is why Russian arms purchases has seriously dropped over the last few years.
crobatoThis is a conceptual drawing of a chinese stealth bomber I found somewhere on the net:
Fan art. Lots of really skilled fan art in Chinese forums, which you cannot regard seriously although they look professionally drawn.
crobatoWas the first A-50I certified by Beriev rotating? is the current picture on berieve site rotating? u havent seen the picture of there new AWACS. so how u say it will be rotating.?
Beriev never certified any A-50I.
All the pictures of the A-50 showed a circular line on the base of the rotodome where the support is. This shows you the rotodome is rotating. The KJ-2000s do not have this line.
China never had Beriev’s latest A-50 which only came out well after KJ-2000s were already flying and in extensive testing.
where is ur GE nuclear reactor on completion.? the two biggest ones are russian. and dont embrass urself about space stuff. i can tons of that from official mounths.
Bull. China does not have Russian nuclear reactors. GE and Westinghouse made China nuclear plants until China can finally made them on her own.
where is that 45 planes mentioned? and u wont know the actual number anyway because of secrecy.
Bull. We know the exact number because we are able to track the numbers on their tails by the pictures and because Sukhoi ultimately declared their real numbers.
Yes Chinese can built Antonov replicas but they will never built IL-76 by themselvs.
They certainly knew well enough to rebuild them.
what kind of evidence. when Phazotron is themselve is saying they are running 25 enterprizes by foreign funds.
Where is your evidence that Phazotron radars are in service with the PLAAF? International defense media has already dismissed this.
i fully understand. when F-16I was signed and when the first aircraft delieverd. Almost 5 years.which is equal to development anyway.
Lol, the F-16I is based on the Block 52 which has been proven for years.
just lookt at the F-16I timeline u will know the answer. Poland is also appracohing 4 year mark.
All based on the proven Block 52 which has been around since the mid nineties.
where is the error. they just said likely which is not equal to confirm.
how u know it is 75 KM? . everything changed after 2001 friendship treaty. thats where every technlogy was proliferated. untill april 2001 even FC-1 was grounded due engine issue.
75km is the range of the JL-7A and Type 208A according to Chinese websites.
read little about GEC Marconis stuff. EU has independent policy of each country on case by case basis. US could enforce it right in 1996 with Israel but they were just looking at it how it develops and strip it down under its own supervision. u are in great delusion about Israel getting its own. J-10 drawing does not add much without Russian help. Without Russian J-10 would still be on drawing board.
Yes, but Russians never transferred engine, FBW and radar tech to the J-10. All they provided is some structural analysis and advice.
how do u know there was no external help in those also? .
Certainly not Russian. JH-7 project never had any discernible Russian involvement.
But they have the money to outsoure it to another country. U cannot make a decent engine for K-8 in past two decades.
They do now.
Cant help but certain people are in big delusion. u should be glad untill the the time when Russian joins Western Alliance. everything will comes out the known unkowns and unknown unkowns.
The only one deluded is you and that is a view commonly shared by many in the forums.
crobatoso the same can be said about A-50. they already had the A-50U. and they tested airframe certification for A-50I unitll 1999. the rest is just antenna and avionics upgrade not the rotodome certification. so why cant the same example is applied to A-50E project just like Su-30MKK.
A-50 is not the same as the KJ-2000. Look at the A-50 antenna. Mechanically rotating rotodome with the antenna fixed on two sides. KJ-2000 uses 3 face phase array fixed on all three sides without rotation.
Space cooperation is not strategic? Nuclear plant is not strategic? or u want further embrassment.
Bull. What space cooperation? What nuclear plant cooperation? Nuclear plants in China are made by GE or Westinghouse. After Chernobyl, I don’t think the Chinese would want something from the Russians. Space cooperation? The only thing they got from the Russians is the docking ring because the Chinese wanted one that is compatible with the ISS.
I have checked alot of things. I havent seen a report with erroneous sign order from a credible source. all are about negotiations.
Which only mentioned 45 planes, but KANWA however knew of the signed quantity of 38 planes.
yes B-29 is the same thing as IL-76. read a little bit in depth about the aircraft. u will know the answer.
Yes, the Chinese knew ZILCH about the B-29 aircraft structure and yet they were able to mount a rotating rotodome on one.
U need english comprehension skills here. Note the word Batches
Sorry but Russians have generally make a lot of mistakes when using the English language often in their attempt to make English language articles. There is no evidence that batches of radars were ever sent, just as SIPRI ultimately deleted such references in their updates.
Buying a radar is not some thing u can do from off the shelf. u have to certify it on specific platform even if is fully developed.
Yup and that is something you dont’ seem to understand yourself.
so F-16E was certified when it was sold? and they could make more 200 F-16s in mid eighties.
Lol. When the US sold F-16 Block 52 to Poland and Greece and Israel, you bet they’re already certified systems.
these are substandard work with external help. untill 2001 u could only make radar of 40 km range. and that JL-10A has clear Phazotron help from Flight International report.
And I told you Flight International is in error and I have shown you they’re not reliable. I don’t see why Phazotron would help a potential competitor in the Chinese market.
Substandard work? Hah, what do you know. The old Type 208 radar manages a distance of 75km and so did the old JL-7A. The latter is the radar mounted on the J-7D, and that’s about the same range you get with the Kopyo.
why didnot US take Israel to task in 1996 to 1999 period.? read more about this before further speculating.
Because they’re a close ally but they did put Israel on notice. When the Phalcon deal happened, that went too far. The US somehow cannot enforce much, given that the British were also able to sell Skywarrior and Skymaster radars to China for the F-7MG and the Y-8MPAs. For that matter, the US wasn’t able to stop China from getting Litton APS-503 radars for MPAs.
surely Chinese can do FBW. thats russians are doing for L-15. it is not better not go into MIG. u need russian help for even basic stuff like K-8 to make it viable for future. how many K-8 are exported with domestic engine in past 2 decades.
China’s first FBW plane was an experimental J-6 testbed. The first plane with FBW that they put into operational use was the JH-7, which not only had pitch only FBW but had terrain following. Then the J-8II ACT. Then the J-10 and the JH-7A, which took the JH-7’s FBW to a full two three axis. The Feibao FBW used on the JH-7A has been chosen as the FBW for the J-11B.
I don’t know if the L-15 used Russian FBW. The company that did the L-15 is a small company that does not have the resources of Chengdu, Xian or Shenyang.
Originally Posted by JohnWoo
Crobato, Just ignore this ***.
All he can do is just pulling in different and unrelated things and tried to argue without any concrete prove and evidence, just a waste of time and showing how stupidity of him.From now on, just ignore him.
Look at how he tried to argue:
You talked about: MKK
He Uses A-50 to argueYou talked about: AWACS is considered strategic
He uses Space and Nuclear as argumentsYou talked about: evaluation samples
He uses”U need english comprehension skills here”You talked about: SD-10 missile
He said “musharraf begging russians “You talke about: Su-30MK2
He said “same can be said about any other aircraft like F-16 blocks”He just wandering and throw in all different stupid replys to you.
Just a waste of your time.can you imagine this guy actually argues like this on another forum under the name h177? btw, if I’m right about this, he is the same guy that said “su-35 will be better than F-35 in 2015”.
You’re right. The guy is a complete idiot and cannot keep on topic but I cannot resist kicking ass.
crobatoI know. My question why it flow after Su-30MKK. by ur logic everything should have flown before in Russia before it is flown in China.
You really know nothing. That’s because of all the systems that was developed, the MKK’s system is the one that had the most certifications and testing, and all of that was already paid for by the Chinese.
The same can also be said that Ruaf AWACS coming out in 2008 is alot more advanced than what they sold to China. so whats the difference.?
I have never underestimated it but u dont understand the power of up front money without doing the actual work.
The difference is one, the AWACS is considered strategic, and the MKK’s radar as being tactical. Furthermore, the MKK’s system is hardly the technological edge but the AWACS system is.
And without someone buying it, either the IAF, the PLAAF or the RuAF, that thing won’t be certified eitehr.
what news max or janes has anything to do with Interfax/Itar-tass
show me this from reputable source with sign order.
Go check it out yourself since you’re so good in finding things. I am only telling you that the news reports on the numbers of MKKs have been erroneous with most media except KANWA.
So if u never saw russian modify Tu-154 it does not mean they havent done it for chinese. and putting rotodome on top with several meter height and size of 11m is not the same.
Lol. The Chinese put a rotodome on top of a B-29 so believe me they have practice. And I doubt that the Y-8 with the rotodome now is their only one; they would have certainly made studies and demonstrators. Pictures of such planes appeared years ago but were then dismissed as PS. Now, we’re not sure of that anymore.
But that is traditional view. the contemprory view is that middlekingdom will remain a midlevel power becaus of lack of intellectual capacity to surpass in miltary spare.
BS*t. Even the Russians are stunned by the Chinese ability to research and develop things
they will definitely sell the techology if money is right. they even invited for 5th generation fighter.
When you’re inviting people, you probably don’t have enough of the technology themselves.
http://www.royfc.com/news/may/0703may04.html
Flight tests of the “Zhemchug” BRLS for Chinese fighters have been completed. Batches of slotted antenna arrays and radar transmitters also are being delivered to China.To a significant degree thanks to the funds received from external economic deliveries, Fazotron has been able not only to maintain the chief part of the collective, to create a corporation from 25 subsidiary enterprises, branches and detached enterprises, but also to use part of their funds for advanced scientific research work and experimental design work, firstly in the interests of Russia’s defense
Yes, nothing more than evaluation samples.
so all other radars that i mentioned that were usuable and certified on platforms?
Not really as well. until a customer orders them. Kopyo and BARS are certified because India was ordering.
No where every thing is ready made. If u order F-16 today. u will get first aircraft after 3 years with standard radar. It is not like with in 5 months like recent Su-30MK2.
What? Your ignorance about the aviation industry really shows here. All F-16 system are certified before they were even sold. The reason why F-16s take years to obtain is in having a long customer list.
And you don’t know anything about the Su-30MK2. The systems there are exactly like the MKK’s except for a processor and software upgrade.
and china also have obviously alot of slot array radar from west since 80s like Apg-66, Grifo-M, Elta but it does not mean that i can produce anything of its own.
Bull.
NRIET:
KLJ-1
KLJ-3
KLJ-4
KLJ-6
KLJ-6E
KLJ-7
KLJ-10
Type 1492
LETRI:
JL-10A
SY-80
It came in late 90s when russian technical experts join in on ground. (read the interview on interfax. russians got more visa to chinese than the other way around and surely they were not building washing machines). U can judge this fom PAF chief June, 2004 interview with AFM when he clearly states that untill late 90s they look at radar factories making radar for J-10 in China and they were making obsolete stuff. thats why open tender for FC-1 radar.
The FC-1 is being sold to Pakistan with Chinese radar that can use the SD-10 missile. That’s the bottomline now.
One of the reasons why China has not been willing to sell fighter radars before to Pakistan is the Chinese paranoia for secrecy. I’m pretty sure the US among others would like to see a set first hand. The intel purposes is that obvious. When you make a fighter radar that you plan to export, make sure it operates on a different set of frequencies or work in different specifications than the ones you are using in your own aircraft.
US would have taken israeli to task if anything worthwhile was transferred in 90s. they trapped Israelis in 1996 when Israel informally indicated Phalcon sale to US but US remain quiet for 3 years and than all of sudden jump in 1999 when the A-50 arrives. go read this history.
The US did take Israel to the task for this and still doing it today.
what makes u think they cant change processor and software. it is 16 years of military technical cooperation. and China software in military area is a big joke.
You got to be joking. The Chinese were able to write FBW software themselves. FBW software is not transferrable from aircraft to aircraft, they are strictly customized for it. You cannot even share the FBW software between a Lavi and a J-10.
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