I don’t really know the reason for the differences of the tail fin coloration either.

this is my last reply for the Ye-152A/J-8 unless you continue.
The reports never said the Ye-152A was granted building rights license to the Chinese, if Belyakov did not mention it is becasue there was not such a deal of such nature, what was tranferered was data not the aircraft he did not mentioned it because Russia never granted Production of the Ye-152 to the Chinese so there were no variants build out of Russia legally speaking , the opposite is sending documentation on the Ye-152A that is completly different and that to my point it`s very likely that the Russian send documents . And by the way Belyakov book even as good piece of work it is, it can not deal all the details of a huge organization as is MAPO unless you propose it as a new Bible all infallible and where nothing more can be added.

That’s nonsense and in complete contradiction to common sense.

The only reason you give a blueprint to someone is when you have given a building rights license. A blueprint is after all, the plans to BUILD the thing.

The YE-166 and the YE-152 are pretty much the same. The R-15 was the original engine planned for the project, and the twin R-11s were only used as temporary substitute. Thus the aft of the YE-152 is much more rounded than the J-8. The J-8’s fuselage goes from tapered round, and graduates to an oval cross section, something the YE-152 does not attempt.

Arthur, just close the thread. The problem of this Flogger guy is unique; this guy has an obvious screw loose in his head. I mean like what he did in the CDF, with 44+ pages of a thread full of Flogger pics. I mean what kind of a person does that? Which kind of worries me too because like you see in the movies, a loony tends to have his wall wallpapered with pictures of the things and person he’s obsessed with.

Hakodate is in Hokkaido. Kadena is in Okinawa. The last place a Russian pilot would try to defect to would be in Okinawa, since you have to fly over Hokkaido, Honshu, Kyushu—the entire length of Japan—before you get to Okinawa, which is semi tropical.

If you want to defect from Russia, the closest point from Siberia would be Hokkaido.

Crobato the Ye-152 was designed with Russian specifications, the J-8 with Chinese defense specifications, was the F-2 designed with American specifications? or the Kfir with French ones? is the Atlas Cheetah designed with Israeli specifications or the Chilean Pantera with South African ones? even the Q-5 Fantan was designed with Chinese specifications since the Chinese need it something different than the original MiG-19, that is a very easy and logical answer.

The Japanese F-2 still used a lot F-16 parts directly. The Cheetah and the Kfir is still based on the Mirage III airframe directly. So was the Pantera. The Q-5 Fantan is still the MiG-19 behind the cockpit all the way to the tail. Mostly unchanged. Different specifications does not change anything.

Your argument just went completely flat. Easy and logical? Guess again, they only serve to make you wrong again.

Why the Chinese would not modified the design? are you saying they are not capable of improving the design or adapt it to their own needs?

Why would the Chinese modify a design that works right? Yes, the design did work right, well enough to be seriously considered for operational use until superceded by more advanced specifications. The PL-8 which was a copy of the Python 3, remained virtually a copy. The PL-4/6/10/11 all remained virtual copies of the Sparrow and Aspide.

The Chinese are smart. They would not change a design that isn’t BROKEN.

Your reasoning is that the Chinese were so uncapable to do any further work also by 1969 the Ye-152 was not exactly being updated into an operational fighter and it only flew until 1966 before crashing and destroying the only prototype. A link for the J-8 designed with limited data from the Ye-152 program J-8 designed with limited data form the Ye-152

Your reasoning is completely foolish. Like everything you have shown and acted on these forums.

Look at the J-7E. That’s the MiG-21 adapted to the Chinese own use. Did it have a significant fuselage change? NO. The fuselage is still the MiG-21F. They changed the wing, the electronics and the engine. But the fuselage is still directly the MiG-21F.

Look at the FTC-2000 trainer. Behind the cockpit and the wings, you can still see it’s still a MiG-21.

You cannot distinguish what is truly a copy and what is indigenous. It’s all because of your pride and obsessession wanting to connect the Russian projects to the J-8, when all the evidence, circumstances and logic says otherwise.

YOU ARE ONLY INTERESTED ON YOUR OWN MYTH MAKING.

Janes’ know it is SAC that makes the J-11s. Their other articles are consistent with this.

This is more of a horrible mistake on the part of failure of proper proof reading. It’s called bad writing. Pinkov is no better. Kanwa’s editorial mistakes are horrendous. Typos everywhere. I wonder if the guy knows how to use a spell checker.

I think the -23-98 might have the HMS but there was no takers in that configuration. The HMS for the MLD is a surprise to hear as I never heard that before.

that’s complete and utter nonsense. Why use a guideline when you choose to differ from it? It defeats that purpose. When did you ever hear of a plane being designed with a “guideline”? Statements like this show you don’t know anything about “design” or about aircraft. People don’t design aircraft according to “templates”. You really have no idea about at least some little basics about structural engineering that these kinds of changes are quite significant for monoques and semi-monoques. You also forgot that the YE-152 has a more dominant structural spine that holds fuel while the J-8 lacks that.

And you’re wrong—the J-8 fuselage has a more slender design especially in front of the engine. You are contradicting yourself again, the larger diameter of the YE-152 comes from its radar.

The Ching Kuo fighter is NOT a derivative of a previous design. Only that it is designed with American help.

You also keep forgeting that the Q-5 has a radome, and the structural part of the aircraft stops where the radome begins.

Again and again, your links are nonsense, you are not interested in the truth,

Dimensions do not tell the whole history the Su-27 is considerably smaller than the huge Su-34, and many modifications will alter the size and dimenssions of any aircraft, also you have the same engines so the aircraft will have similar aft fuselage cross section, the cone inlet is smaller due to the J-8 has a smaller SR-4 radar and as the F-18E they could well have added a fuselage plug for new systems or fuel

Yes but Sukhoi also built both aircraft. So it is obvious that the Su-34 would use a lot of experience from the Su-27 because you have common designers. But one cannot say the Su-34 “copied” from the Su-27 because you have the same set of engineers, and all the calculations and measurements have all been internalized in those designers’ heads. This is not true of the YE-152 and J-8.

Dimension changes in the Su-34 has a reason. It is primarily a strke jet not a fighter. Some of the length changes from the radome and the structural part of the aircraft leaves off right when the radome starts. Take the noses off and you see more commonality in sizes. And even if the plane B is derived from plane A, it does not become more slender in the process either. The changes ADD to the existing airframe, not DELETE from it. Even when the MiG-21 evolved from its original version, the fuselage diameters remain basically the same. Same goes with the Hornet->Super Hornet, F-16->F-2.

If you look at the body of the J-8, it’s a lot more slender than the YE-152, which is stouter. The length of the J-8 itself is very long, 2.5 meters longer even without the inlet sticking out on the J-8, while the YE-152 has a big inlet sticking out. At the same time the aft section is not the same.

In the J-8I, they did not design the plane FOR the radar—they designed the radar AFTER the plane. Given that the J-8I can use the same radar as the J-7C/D as the J-8E, you are talking about a radar still as big as the RP-21/Saphir-21/Fast Spin.

You’re getting to be alone here with your opinions. Given your behavior in the other thread and in the CDF, which has eroded your reputation, stating your opinions again and again will not grant them more weight.