Perhaps a thin layer of Tufnol sheet? This would act as insulation, but also Tufnol is often used as a wear or rub strip/panel. The colouring may match the description from Cranswick. Some grades look burnt orange to start with, and when the surface resin rubs off and the fibreglass, cotton or paper reinforcement (depending on Tufnol grade) is exposed the colour becomes straw.
I had a close look at the actual panel. I don’t know much about Spitfire instrumentation, but the two things I found ugly about it where that the panels were freshly painted full gloss black, and that the instruments were all held on with special screws to prevent removal of any of the instruments; on the exposed side they had no recesses. These screws seemed to be made for the job as the turning marks were fairly coarse. Going to a bit much effort, I think, as the museum was fairly small and not well known – I wouldn’t have thought thieves would be a problem.
A whole new meaning to the expression ‘desk job’!
Taking a look at the photo and comparing with the ‘sketch’, I wonder about the following:
1. Near the upper left part of the panel, below the word ‘load’, there appears to be a cut-out. I imagine this cut-out is round with a little square on the left side; would this be for a lamp with night shade? The hinge for the shade would be on the left side.
2. Wording: looking at the alignment of the ‘250 LB’ and ‘SMALL BOMBS’, I think that the line under 250 lb should be ‘LOADED AT STATIONS’, just like the text further down.
3. Wording: the last line on the Armorer’s side may read ‘DRUM SWITCH SET TO DISTRIBUTOR’.
Does anybody have an idea why the panel would have instructions labelled Armourer and Bomb Aimer? I don’t know much about the whole system. Could this panel have been located in the bomb bay?
Just noticed also that there is a tab broken off the bottom RH corner!
Hi.
This would be a big help for me if you are interested in selling to Australia! PM me!
FYI, top centre gauge is not correct – should be 96 gallons. On the original panels the centre bottom gauge was the clock. On Australian single-seaters the clock moved to the RH side panel and the hole was left empty.
Thanks. Nicholas.
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Here are some of our panels for Vampire FB.31 A79-733. (RH panel being prepared for some major repairs!)
Does anyone have spare de-icer brackets? There are different versions. The original version is p/n B00217A (clipping from pilots notes) – this is what we need for A79-733. The later version is p/n B002525 and the mangled one pictured below is from FB.31 A79-175.
The later part is made from sheet steel so it is difficult to rework to a reasonable shape!
We are after two of the early type and one of the later.
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Aero Engineering (Newnes) has a table from Hadfields Ltd. It is again not useful in that it places a hyphen under C, Si, Mn and Ni. It has S and P at .05. I am curious that Ex Brat quotes ‘Sulphur = not less than 0.05%, Phosphorus = not less than 0.05%’. Aero Eng notes that S and P above .06 causes problems. For S, the steel becomes brittle, for example. As discussed above, I expect that the hyphens just mean that it is not specifically controlled. I expect that the S & P values are actually maximums. I haven’t pasted a picture because for some reason I can’t upload at present.
Looking at the Vampire Mk.30 SRM (AAP.851), I see that there are potentially some S.2 parts: G00653 Eye Bolt is listed as S.11 or S.2 bar. No help of course for the XRF unless you can figure which option they actually used. Some De Havilland parts do have the material spec marked on them.
I suspect that unless you cut up the part you are testing, XRF would not tell you if a part had been case-hardened if you only tested the outside surface; this goes back to having the drawing which would specify if the part is carburised or nitrided, to know the truth about composition.
There are a number of factors behind the decision to select a forging over a simply machined part, or one assembled or welded. To consider the initial thought in design: a forged part may be the lightest solution or it might be the most compact solution where the design has to be compact – if a part has too much bulk then required clearance to adjacent parts might be sacrificed – think in particular of moving parts that require clearance to surrounding fixed structure. After that initial thought the next one is whether the manufacturer has the capability to make forgings or can get the forgings supplied. The manufacturer may chose to invest in what is for them a new process. Later on, a manufacture develops a standard practice amongst their models where a certain undercarriage part, say, becomes standard in general design – the process has been developed, and the investment in the forge and process development needs to be paid off. Each new aircraft model that comes along, the manufacture uses the IP they have developed, and uses the same basic idea and manufacturing process. This may hold until the part actually has additional requirements placed on it or a great new process comes along that has benefits worth investing in, or even that the manufacturer discovers that after the part has been in service 15 years that it actually has shortcomings.
In terms of modern replacements for forgings, there is a compromise that modern airliner manufacturers use. These are forged blocks. A basic forged block may be fully machined to make an elevator hinge fitting, say. The benefit is that a hinge fitting is basically carrying a pin joint with a spherical bearing, so that the load directions on the lug are limited and moments aren’t transferred (different though at the actuator). The benefit then in the forged block is good directional properties. Although machining does cut the aligned properties the overall process is cost effective.
I just typed ‘A17-370’ into NAA record search and this is what came up…
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So it confirms ‘370 became VT-CUO.
You can request a digital copy of the document or go and have a look for yourself. I live in Sydney and find it convenient to have digital copies of stuff that is in Canberra. The digital copies are then available on line for all to see. I think the price paid is reasonable.
Cheers,
N
Hi Liz.
The pdfs of all of the RAAF aircraft record cards are available from:
http://airpower.airforce.gov.au/Contents/About-APDC/About-APDC/Office-of-Air-Force-History/10/Historical-Records.aspx
They sell them to you on 2 CDs. I bought mine a long time ago and don’t remember how much they cost. $25 maybe. These are the poor quality scans that you have had trouble reading.
There is the chance that you can get better quality scans from the National Archives of Australia, but it is hit or miss. I’ve included a sample Vampire card that I got from the NAA. I tried asking them how to get the quality scans of other cards, but the guy who replied just said they can’t supply them because the only have the cards on microfiche. So I don’t understand why the have some in good quality, but not others.
Nicholas.
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How about this as a candidate for the aircraft?
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/552/120/1#6
The text on the site says that it was used for liaison purposes to Madagascar via Djibuti, and the drawing shows something in place of the turret, presumably a fairing.
Hi Bob.
Nice to see some effort being put into the Bombay, a type I have long lamented the lack of.
Hello PW.
I will have to check what is on the back of it, but would you be interested in one down to -60C. See pic, left.
Does anyone know what the small panel on the right is from? This one has the terminal on the back.
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Vampire Mk.30 panel
Here is my Mk.30 LH panel. It is the original build standard and uses an original NOS blank panel. The main things that distinguish it from the modifications introduced in service are that the TR.1520 was replaced by the TR-1936 (the controller for the latter was located near the top of the panel over the blanked-off hole), and the Mach meter was replaced with the style where 0.5 and 1.0 are at the top of the dial. I have got as far as I can for now. There are a few things to improve, but the main thing is that I still need the TR.1520 controller.
This is the Control Unit Type 295 (Y10L/151) that goes into the primed bracket towards the bottom; pic included. Any leads on such a thing?
One other thing of note that I’m trying to sort is the blanked off hole next to the RPM gauge. The parts book I have shows it blanked off, but there are a couple of documents about that require a Burner Pressure indicator. I’m not sure if the Burner Pressure gauge was actually installed at all.
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DH.108 panels
Thanks, David for your comments regarding tufnol. The first job I will commit to after practice will be a fuel panel – smallish and simple.