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  • in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2026636
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    Reports: Russia may buy French helicopter carrier
    Yesterday, 16:41 | Reuters

    MOSCOW – Russia could spend around 400 million euros on buying a helicopter carrier from NATO member France, with talks under way on what would be its first major foreign military purchase, local media reported on Tuesday.

    Moscow is trying to re-equip its outdated Soviet-era military as part of a broader defence reform but has to date focused on buying hardware from its own arms industry, which remains one of the country’s key export sectors.

    Interfax, quoting unnamed sources in the Russian navy headquarters, confirmed earlier reports in the French media about Moscow’s interest in buying a multi-purpose carrier.

    “The possibility of buying a Mistral-class helicopter carrier was discussed at the naval show held in St. Petersburg in June,” Interfax quoted a naval headquarters source as saying.

    Quoting an unnamed senior officer in Russia’s naval headquarters, RIA news agency said that such a deal with France could cost Moscow up to 400 million euros ($575.6 million).

    “Such talks are being conducted at the level of experts,” the officer told RIA. “In September we will prepare a report with our final conclusions for the defence ministry.”

    Citing its source, Interfax said a decision on such a large foreign purchase might be two to three years away and that no budget funds were currently available.

    Kommersant newspaper quoted unnamed sources as saying such a deal was extremely likely.

    President Dmitry Medvedev has set an ambitious deadline of 2020 for the radical modernisation of Russia’s once formidable, but now fast rusting navy by 2020, using Russian shipbuilders.

    These plans include the creation of Russia’s first post-Soviet aircraft carrier — an idea many analysts have said is overly ambitious considering the expertise lost during the break-up of the Soviet Union.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/world/46389

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2027896
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    Emerging Threats

    France, Germany vie to sell Pakistan subs

    Published: July 20, 2009 at 5:51 PM

    BERLIN, July 20 (UPI) — Pakistan appears to be losing patience with Germany over a deal worth some $1.5 billion to boost its 10-strong fleet of submarines, or it is playing a reluctant Berlin administration against Paris.

    An agreement to supply three U-214 U-boats reportedly has been awaiting a final German signature since details were worked out in a visit to Germany by a Pakistani navy delegation in April. Quoting Pakistani government sources, the Financial Times Deutschland says President Asif Zardari may overrule his military’s preference for the German subs to take up a “better offer” from France.

    The French have reportedly offered to supply three submarines and to sweeten the deal by upgrading and overhauling older submarines that are already part of the Pakistani fleet. Two years ago French President Jacques Chirac reportedly wrote a personal letter to Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, urging his administration to buy French and offering the prospect of French government support and finance for new hotels and a car manufacturing plant.

    The German subs on offer would be built by ThyssenKrupp at its Howaldtswerken shipyard in Kiel. The sale, which would attract low-interest finance from the state-owned KfW, is politically controversial and requires the approval of the German National Security Council, which vets the sale of sensitive military and other equipment, especially to areas of actual or potential conflict and instability.

    In response to a preliminary inquiry in 2006, the Council gave a further sale of submarines to Pakistan a tentative green light. That approval raised a storm of political protest for fear that such a sale would add to the existing arms race between India and Pakistan. Last year a number of non-governmental organizations protested the supply to Pakistan of Drone aircraft and torpedoes. Pakistan is also interested in acquiring further German-made tanks and armored vehicles.

    In Germany, concerns about supplying arms to Pakistan — a nuclear power — are increasing, attracting fears that the country could be destabilized by or even fall into the hands of militant Islamists. There are worries over the reliability of the armed forces with some element of the army said still to be sympathetic to the Taliban.

    The issue is potentially divisive even within the governing coalition of Angela Merkel. In 2005 the Defense Ministry led by Franz Josef Jung — a member of Merkel’s center-right Christian Democrats — negotiated a wide-reaching agreement with Pakistan to cooperate on armaments. A corresponding declaration of intent by the German government was blocked after opposition from Foreign Minister Frank Walter Steinmeier, a Social Democrat and his party’s candidate to be chancellor at forthcoming elections, due on Sept. 27.

    With weapons for Pakistan currently a hot political potato — and only likely to get hotter — the Federal Security Council has deferred taking any decision on the sale, pending the election.

    Meanwhile India is in the process of acquiring a nuclear submarine fleet using technology from France, joining the select club of countries with submarine nuclear capability. Currently, they are the five Permanent Members of the U.N. Security Council: the United States, Russia, China, France and the United Kingdom.

    http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009/07/20/France-Germany-vie-to-sell-Pakistan-subs/UPI-32061248126711/

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2027969
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    Admiral Gorshkov price talks in last leg
    Updated on Monday, July 20, 2009, 19:41 IST
    New Delhi: India and Russia are in the last leg of their negotiations on the cost of Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier repair and refit and the final price will be somewhere between USD 2.2 billion and USD 2.9 billion.

    “The talks are in their last leg and an agreement on the fresh price of Gorshkov refit will be arrived at in a week,” Defence Ministry sources said here today.

    While the Russians pegged the cost at USD 2.9 billion this February, India has been showing keenness in finalizing it for about USD 2.2 billion.

    “We cannot take a guess on the final price now, as the negotiations are currently on. The agreement will be somewhere between the two amounts that have come up for discussions,” sources said.

    A Russian delegation which arrived here on July 10 had held discussions with Defence Ministry officials for about a week and have now returned to Moscow, sources said.

    India had bought Admiral Gorshkov in 2004 for USD 964 million and sent it for refit to the Sevmash Shipyard in Russia. That apart, India also bought 16 MiG29Ks to operate on the warship at a cost of USD 650 million.

    The Russian shipyard had revised its price three times, first demanding additional USD 1.5 billion in 2007, then revising it to USD 2.2 billion in 2008 and finally asking for USD 2.9 billion this February.

    Three Indian delegations had visited Russia in the last two months, including a visit headed by Defence Secretary Vijay Singh, to arrive at a final figure for the aircraft carrier, but without much success.

    Bureau Report

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion Thread Part II #2028523
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    There is two Typhoons on that picture. The one in the background is Dimitry Donskoy (You can barely see the bulb of the new towed array on her aft rudder, she is the only one fitted with that array as far as i know) The one to the right must be either Arkhangelsk or Severstal as they are the only remaining Typhoons.

    It looks like it is Severstal. Here is another picture of her
    http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxj295hi
    If you zoom in on the sail on the right Typhoon from the Borei picture you can barely see the paintings on her sail.

    Here is a picture of Arkhangelsk.
    http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxj27MYA

    Pictures from subcommittee.com

    Thanks a lot!!!!!!

    do you have any pic of the Dimitry Donskoy’s sail? I googled but could not find any 🙁

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2028525
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    French horror as Joan of Arc to be ‘killed’ by English again
    French naval chiefs reacted with horror after it was announced that one of the country’s best-loved warships, the Jeanne-d’Arc, is to be sent to England to be broken up.

    By Henry Samuel in Paris
    Published: 6:25PM BST 13 Jul 2009

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01442/d_arc_1442533c.jpg
    The French navy helicopter carrier Jeanne D’Arc Photo: AFP / GETTY

    One senior officer said that the prospect of the ship being “burned, martyred and dismembered” in England would be too much to stomach after the old enemy’s earlier hand in the death at the stake in 1431 of France’s national heroine, after whom the ship is named.

    The ageing vessel, which is used by the French as a “floating embassy” in a similar role as the decommissioned Royal Yacht Britannia, is due to embark on its 45th and final world tour, after which it will be dismantled. Able UK, the British shipbreakers based on the River Tees, is reportedly in pole position to win the tender.

    The Jeanne-d’Arc has come to symbolise the soul of the French navy, and has been used as a training vessel for all French sailors since 1964.

    “Joan of Arc is the heart of the French nation,” said Pierre-François Forissier, the French navy’s chief-of-staff.

    The idea that it might end its life on English soil was, according to naval officials cited by the newspaper Le Monde, “sad, painful, even unimaginable”.

    Many officers privately expressed a preference for the 13,000-ton boat being scuttled rather than taken apart by English hands. However, this is against international regulations, particular as it is constructed with dangerous materials, including asbestos.

    Those prepared to speak on the record were more diplomatic.

    “The English are Europeans after all, we have the same values,” said Vice-Admiral Hubert Jouot, in charge of decommissioning French vessels.

    “But, every now and then, a certain national pride manifests itself, like in sporting competitions.”

    Plans to turn the boat into a museum or a heliport in Saint-Tropez have foundered.

    Able UK was recently chosen to dismantle another rusting French warship, the Clemenceau.

    Vice-admiral Jouot warned fellow navy officials to stop getting sentimental over the Jeanne-d’Arc’s fate. “We must stop being emotional; we will follow the public markets procedures. The best placed in the competition will win,” he said.

    Joan of Arc, a peasant girl born in eastern France, asserted that she had visions from God that told her to regain her homeland from English domination late in the Hundred Years’ War.

    She led the French army to a string of key victories that helped Charles VII be crowned King of France at Reims. However, she was captured by the Burgundians, sold to the English, tried by an ecclesiastical court and burned at the stake at the age of 19. She was later canonised.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/5819562/French-horror-as-Joan-of-Arc-to-be-killed-by-English-again.html

    in reply to: F310 vs F100 #2028685
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    Ok i have a question why does the Norwegian F310 Nansen have that crown over the bridge where the Aegis sits? From what I understand the F100 Bazan and the F310 Nansen were built on the same hull by Navinatina but why did the superstructers change so much?

    It kind of looks like a huge brain on the Nansen…

    Also i know the F310 Nansen is configured for ASW and the F100 Bazan is AAW.

    thanks

    for what I know the AEGIS of the F-100s is much superior than the one on the F-310s

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion Thread Part II #2029460
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    More Yuri Dolgorukiy pics (c/o Paralay):

    http://paralay.com/955/955104.jpg

    do you know which Typhoon is the one visible on the right side?

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2029462
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    Things are Indeed looking Bright for the Indian Navy.

    The ATV is going to be launched later this month or early next month

    http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/07/historic-atv-launch-imminent.html

    ATV= Nuclear Submarine?

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2029629
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    Medvedev asks shipyard to deliver Adm. Gorshkov carrier on time
    Rajiv Singh
    03 July 2009

    Severodvinsk: Russian president Dmitry Medvedev yesterday asked Russian shipbuilder Sevmash, currently engaged on the refit programme of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (ex-Adm Gorshkov), to ensure completion of the project as per the latest schedule for ”otherwise there would be grave consequences.”

    Image: Piotr Butwoski”This is a matter of prestige,” the president said at a meeting at the famed shipyard, one of Russia’s oldest and renowned for the number and variety of submarines it has constructed. ”The project should be completed under the deadline that was agreed upon and under the co-ordinated parameters,” Medvedev underlined.

    ”We should think of this as a first, very difficult experience,” Medvedev said on Thursday in the northern port of Severodvinsk. ”We need to complete the carrier and deliver it to our Indian partners. Otherwise there could be grave consequences.”

    Medvedev took note that the refit programme had no equal for the sophisticated design solutions it had brought into play and the amount of work involved. ”But we should complete this work,” the president said. ”All disputes (with Indian clients) should be settled. It is necessary to agree on the remaining unsettled parameters and complete the work,” he stressed.

    Earlier, Nikolai Kalistratov, director general, Sevmash, pointed out that a careful examination of all the equipment and various components of the aircraft carrier had revealed that refitting and repairing it would be much more expensive than earlier planned.

    ”We had to replace all equipment, so, making the price going up dramatically,” he said with regret. He noted, however, that the shipyard would obligatorily finalize the project. ”We have already decided and prepared everything regarding tests,” he said, adding that the Russian side would hold the tests first. The Indian Navy would follow thereafter.

    The handover to the Indian Navy is scheduled for 2012, four years behind the original 2008 schedule. The contract to refurbish the aircraft carrier was originally solemnised in 2004.

    The Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk hopes to complete the modernization project and launch trial tests of the warship in 2011. The INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier is expected to have a service life of at least 30 years.

    The Gorshkov affair

    The most high profile of all Indo-Russian defence projects, the refit programme of the 44,570 tonne, INS Vikramaditya, is an example of all that has gone wrong with the celebrated Indo-Russian defence co-operation. Price renegotiations, protracted delays, substandard equipment have all led to a gradual, but definite, phasing out of Russia as a source of defence supplies for the Indian military establishment.

    As a matter of fact, for the first time ever, Israel has now supplanted Russia as the top defence supplier to India by way of military sales in 2008-09. There can be no doubt that Israel has also supplanted the Russians in the strategic importance of the defence contracts being handled by them.

    Matters have been worse confounded with Russia’s couldn’t-care-less attitude, which has riled New Delhi no end.

    This steady deterioration in strategic relationships between Russia and India is well highlighted by the Gorshkov affair.

    Very late, sometime close to 2007, Russian authorities begin to leak stories in the media that the modernization programme of the aircraft carrier was way behind schedule and that it would not be possible to complete refurbishment at terms as negotiated in 2004. A matter of great pride for the navy and the country these stories were greeted with a sense of shock within India.

    The INS Vikramaditya/Adm Gorshkov carrier was not only intended to add massive punch to the navy’s blue water capabilities but was also looked upon as being the poster boy for the country’s fast developing strategic capabilities.

    Along with the AWACS aircraft and the Sukhoi-30MKI programme, the Gorshkov was part of the triad of conventional strategic capabilities, and in terms of size, perhaps the most potent and obvious of these new strategic symbols.

    After initial teething problems with its engines, the Su-30MKI programme went on stream smoothly. The AWACS programme, like the Gorshkov, due for delivery in 2008, ran into trouble.

    So did some others, like the Talwar class stealth frigates. But it was the Gorshkov that gradually became the focus of all that was turning out to be wrong with the Indo-Russian defence relationship.

    First stories had the Russians claiming that the amount of new cabling required for the ship was seriously underestimated, which they claimed would be more than three times than original estimates.

    Subsequent stories began to portray the refit programme itself as being a virtual new construction and that amounts of $3 billion would be required to complete the project.

    In a criminal waste of time the shipyard pulled out its entire workforce from the project and redeployed them onto other projects. It was Indian money, paid as advance for the project, which had pulled the shipyard out of bankruptcy and put idle Russian workers back to work. These advances also allowed the shipyard to carry out a fair amount of modernisation of equipment.

    Matters reached a stage where the Russians began to talk about appropriating the ship as part of the Russian Navy, compelling Indian Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta to issue a stern reminder that, with the payment of advances and signing of the 2004 contract, the ship was Indian property.

    The Gorshkov affair simply became symptomatic of overall Russian incompetence in teh construction and delivery of vital defence equipment. The first batch of the Talwar class stealth frigates (Krivak) were delayed by atleast thirteen months and so was another strategically vital AWACS project.

    The strengthened, re-engined Russian Il-76 aircraft, being the platform for the project, was handed over inordinately late for further integration work with Israeli electronics and radars.

    As relations worsened, the Russians, very stupidly, took recourse to belligerence. India, in a very determined manner began to cut out Russia out of all military contracts it possibly could, leading to windfall gains for Israeli, American and European suppliers.

    The previous few years also marked a strategic shift for India from its traditional Russian orbit to a pro-Western one, leading to landmark agreements in the nuclear and defence fields, which has altered traditional geo-political equations in the region.

    Medvedev’s comforting noises may now be seen as part of an attempt to correct the course for Russia, but it is likely that the damage done may already be too deep for any immediate reversal.

    http://www.domain-b.com/defence/general/20090703_shipyard_oneView.html

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2031814
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    Too heavy for the 4 LCFs (Zeven Provinciën class) or for the remaining 2 Ms (Doorman class) or for the 4 new patrol ships (Holland class)?

    most likely he is talking about the 2 remaining Ms…..?

    Doesn’t look too logical to talk they are too heavy for such big ships as the LCFs or to the OPVs that are still not built….:confused:

    in reply to: HMS Invincible #2031816
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    sold to Chile 😎

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    Oficial Chinese announcement of joint cooperation Brazil-China, from China:

    (unfortunately I found only in spanish)

    AGÊNCIA DE NOTÍCIAS XINHUA – CHINA
    Marineros chinos realizarán prácticas en Brasil
    BRASILIA, 19 may (Xinhua) — La Marina de Brasil ofrecerá entrenamiento a oficiales de la
    Marina del Ejército Popular de Liberación (EPL) de China, especialmente en la operación de
    portaaviones, informó hoy el ministro de Defensa de Brasil, Nelson Jobim.

    El ministro dijo este martes a la prensa que la cooperación fue acordada durante la visita del
    comandante de la Marina brasileña, Carlos Soares de Moura Neto, al país asiático en abril, por la fiesta
    del 60 aniversario de la fundación de la Marina del EPL.
    “El almirante Moura Neto estuvo en China, y nosotros nos comprometimos a recibir oficiales
    chinos para entrenarlos en los navíos brasileños, e inclusive en el portaaviones Sao Paulo”, dijo Jobim.
    “China quiere retomar su Marina, pero precisa instrucción, por lo tanto se acordó que vendrían
    chinos para entrenar, para aprender. Ellos están sobre todo interesados en portaaviones”, agregó.
    En marzo pasado, el ministro de Defensa de China, el general Liang Guanglie, puso de
    manifiesto la necesidad de que China posea un portaaviones, pues es el único país entre las principales
    potencias del mundo que no lo posee.
    El ministro brasileño resaltó que la cooperación naval puede ser el punto de partida para otras
    iniciativas en el área de Defensa.
    “Con China lo que tenemos en el campo de Defensa es esa posibilidad. Y usted sabe que
    comienza con eso, después las cosas se van sucediendo”, señaló.
    Jobim anticipó además que oportunamente él mismo irá a China para definir los detalles de ese
    acuerdo general.
    China mantiene una Alianza Estratégica con Brasil desde 1993, que incluye una creciente
    cooperación en el área tecnológica, y este año pasó a ser su principal socio comercial, superando a los
    Estados Unidos.
    Durante la visita a Beijing que el presidente Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva inició este lunes fue
    acordado además un préstamo de 10.000 millones de dólares otorgado por el Banco de Desarrollo de
    China para la petrolera estatal Petrobras.
    Con el referido crédito, la petrolera brasileña prentende ampliar la exploración de petróleo en el
    lecho submarino continental brasileño.

    paragraph in BOLD:
    “The Brazilian Navy will offer traning to officers of the PLAN , specially in operation of AIRCRAFT CARRIERS , the Brazilian Minister of Defense informed today”

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2034450
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    German Navy must postpone their 5 NEW corvettes

    In another brilliant case of procurement fail, the Bundeswehr’s latest news is concerning the new Braunschweig class corvettes. All 5 of them have to be temporarily decomissioned (3 of them even prior to their official commissioning) because of faulty gearboxes. These gears were supplied to the German shipbuilders by Swiss company MAAG and have apparently not been tested properly. What is equally embarassing is the fact that the problems were revealed when a single screw was able to fall into the gear of FGS Oldenburg and caused severe damage in there! Upon inspections of the other ships’ gearboxes, all of them turned out to be faulty and badly designed. There’s been no information yet on indemnities but a sum of several million EUR is expected. The navy says all these gearboxes have to be changed and the ships will not be ready for service prior to 2011.

    http://www.kn-online.de/top_themen/93231_Marine_muss_neue_Korvetten_stilllegen.html

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2034591
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    http://www.lenta.ru/news/2009/05/21/gorshkov/

    The current contract will make Russia loose money, and therefore it cant come to fruition. If India want the carrier by 2012, the contract will have to be redrafter with a higher price.

    :confused::confused:

    pics from last april

    http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/634/imgp0628.jpg

    http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2585/image171.jpg

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world #2034861
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    Any pic’s available of the design?

    http://lh6.ggpht.com/_erq5Z9l-0CA/ShKdIFAzZ8I/AAAAAAAAZNU/1cBJH9Xc-M4/s720/Shardul01.jpg

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