According to the official, the task force will comprise the Admiral Vinogradov, an Udaloy class missile destroyer, a tugboat, and two tankers.
Why there is always a tugboat in the middle of these task forces? It is the same with the ships that went to Venezuela…Is this a “standard procedure” for the RuN or fear that the ships will break middle of the way….????:confused::confused:
I ask because this is motive of laugh all around the web….It gives the impression that they not trust their own ships…:confused:
Can someone enlighten me?
U-214 for Pakistan
Pakistan to Buy German Submarines
(Source: Deutsche Welle German radio; issued November 26, 2008)
Pakistan, which has relied on French defense suppliers, is buying German-made submarines for the first time, but is still technologically behind its nuclear rival India.
Pakistan has formally agreed to buy three Type 214 German submarines under deal worth more than $1 billion (773.7 million euros) that the two countries are expected to sign within the next few months, according to a media report on Wednesday.
The German shipbuilding company Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW) will construct the diesel-electric submarines in a shipyard in Pakistan’s southern port city of Karachi, Pakistan’s English-language daily The News reported.
“The commercial contract has been finalized up to 95 percent,” said Walter Freitag, the chief executive officer of the HDW, the largest conventional submarine maker in the world.
Freitag, who was interviewed by the newspaper during a defense products exhibition called IDEAS 2008 in Karachi, said that once the contract is signed, the first submarine would be delivered to the Pakistan navy in 64 months, with the rest delivered in the following 12 months.
Pakistan has traditionally relied on French submarines for its naval defense. This is first time that Karachi has opted for German boats.
Earlier, the French firm Armaris, a subsidiary of Thales group, had lobbied for the sale of three Marlin type submarines. The company delivered the last one to Pakistan in 2006.
“The Pakistan navy understands submarines and ours are the best,” Freitag said. “We use higher grade steel material, which allows greater diving depth. Also, we have fuel cell AIPs and can integrate Harpoons with the Type 214.”
The non-nuclear Type 214 is a 65-meter-long boat which can dive more than 25 meters, but it lacks the technology to avoid detection.
Pakistan’s quest for new submarines was prompted by its traditional nuclear-armed rival India reaching a 1.5-billion-euro deal in 2005 with a French company for seven Scorpion submarines.
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Minister for Defence visits Navantia
26 November 2008
During a recent visit to Spain, the Minister for Defence, the Hon. Joel Fitzgibbon, saw progress being made on some of Australia’s largest acquisition projects with Spanish ship designer and builder, Navantia.
Navantia is working on two major Navy defence projects including the Air Warfare Destroyers and amphibious Landing Helicopter Docks, which will provide key future capability.






http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/fitzgibbon/gallery/20081126/index.htm
Note -The Peter the Great, a missile destroyer & designed to destroy aircraft carriers
well not destroyer but cruiser, and designed to destroy Carrier Battle Groups!
article
Politics Sinks The U.S. Navy
November 24, 2008: The U.S. Navy is going to war with the firms that build its warships. At least it’s trying to. Poor quality, delays and inflated prices are the cause. For decades, there have been growing problems with “low balling.” This is where the shipbuilder gives the navy a very low estimate of what a proposed ship is going to cost. Then, when construction is under way, costs creep up, often resulting in the ship costing more than twice the original estimate. When this practice began, after World War II, it was with the cooperation of the navy, that wanted to have an easier time convincing Congress to allow construction of new ships.
For the past decade, the navy has been saying, “no more”, while the ship builders say, “OK.” But the low balling continues. All current ship building projects over budget. The worst case is the LCS (Littoral Combat Ship), which was to be the poster boy for doing it right. Didn’t work out that way. Three years ago, when building plans for the LCS were laid out, each one was to cost $223 million. Now the estimated price is $460 million, and the navy is confident that the ultimate price will be higher. Congress is outraged, and are demanding that the admirals do something.
The real problem is “sole source” procurement of big deck vessels (plus the Navy’s penchant for changing designs every Tuesday). The real reasons for the problem goes back to when the navy destroyed the Navy Yard system, which was the best check on corruption and carelessness in shipbuilding. How does one bring back quality production, or even prove it can be done better, if there are no government owned ship yards that enable the navy to find out how it can be done better?
The shipbuilding industry will sometimes blame the unions. But Norway, Denmark, Japan, Korea, etc., maintain effective, efficient shipbuilding operations and have strong unions. The principal problem with the US Navy’s yard system was that there were too many yards, more actually than the Royal Navy had. But the basic notion of having navy-owned yards was so that the service (and the taxpayer) could have an independent “authority” on ship construction and repair.
Examples abound. Back in the ’30s, with substantial construction contracts being let again, the Navy placed orders for three very similar classes of destroyers, two to be built in private yards and one in navy yards. There were about a dozen ships all together. The end result was that the navy-built ships came in on time, on budget, and with few teething problems, while the privately built ones ran over in time and money and required some additional work after completion.
Post-World War II, the shipbuilding industry decided it needed the work more than the navy’s yards did. A series of interesting laws got passed that marginalized the navy’s yards. One good one was a law that came out of the Virginia congressional delegation that mandated that modernization, maintenance, and repair jobs be done at yards in proximity to where ships were based. This was very good for Newport News, but meant that navy yards in places like New York, where there were usually no ships based, became “uneconomical.” We’ve only got a few navy-owned yards now, and none of them do construction.
The private shipbuilders and the shipping lines, plus their local members of Congress, have also contributed to the decline of the merchant marine, though they blame the unions, OSHA, EPA, “cheap foreign labor,” etc., and so forth. Books have been written about this (like “The Abandoned Ocean: A History of United States Maritime Policy”), but not enough of the right people read them, or wanted to act on the evidence presented. The problem, as in so many areas of military procurement, is politics. The defense budget is seen as a source of votes, above all. No politician will admit it, but the facts speak for themselves.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20081124.aspx
I do not understand the suddent change of heart, unless Indian engineers were on board and it was one of them who set off the Freeon. I do not understand this reaction at all.
what has the accident to do with transfering the ship to india? Unless china has been vocal about this deal to the russians.
Pressure due to the Vikramadytia price-increase???
kind of “if you do not pay for the carrier you don’t get the sub”????:confused:
Nerpa stays in Russia
Nerpa nuclear submarine to join Russian Navy – top brass
11:54 | 18/ 11/ 2008
VLADIVOSTOK, November 18 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Navy will commission the Nerpa nuclear submarine, on which 20 people recently died, rather than sell or lease it to India, the chief of the General Staff told a Russian daily on Tuesday.
On November 8, while the submarine was undergoing sea trials in the Sea of Japan, a crew member is believed to have entered the wrong data into the temperature sensor, which caused the fire safety system to release Freon gas into the living quarters.
“The sum of $650-780 million, which Rosoboronexport and the Amur Shipbuilding Plant had negotiated over a long period of time with the Indian Ministry of Defense, will now be found in Russia, either within the state weapons procurement program or somewhere else,” the Rossiiskaya Gazeta quoted General of the Army Nikolai Makarov as saying.
The construction of the Akula II class Nerpa nuclear attack submarine started in 1991, but was suspended for over a decade due to a lack of funding.
Indian media have reported on various occasions that the construction of the submarine was partially financed by the Indian government. India has reportedly paid $650 million for a 10-year lease of the 12,000-ton submarine.
The submarine’s reactor was not affected by the accident, which took place in the nose of the submarine, and radiation levels on board remained normal.
The Navy earlier said the sea trials of the submarine would continue after the investigation into the recent tragedy and certain technical adjustments in the fire safety system.
Nerpa will reportedly join other seven Akula class submarines in Russia’s Pacific Fleet.
Akula II class vessels are considered the quietest and deadliest of all Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines.
RIA Novosti
Lessons from the Nerpa sub accident
http://mnweekly.rian.ru/news/20081114/55356908.html
14/11/2008
An accident on the Nerpa nuclear-powered submarine claimed 20 lives, the largest number of casualties since the sinking of the Kursk submarine in 2000. The Russian and international press are highlighting the tragedy because it happened on a nuclear submarine, engendering many rumors.
We will know the details only when a government commission completes its investigation, but we can discuss the essence of the tragedy. First, to be clear, the submarine was not on combat duty but was still undergoing trials.
What happened on the Nerpa was a catastrophe, an accident that claimed human life. Officially, the tragedy was provoked by the unauthorized operation of the fire extinguishing system.
Next, Russian submarines are equipped with two fire extinguishing systems, an air-foam system designed to extinguish local fires, and a smothering line system for extinguishing three-dimensional fires (with the exception of powder and ammunition fires), which releases Freon or its derivatives into the endangered compartment, replacing oxygen to extinguish the fire.
Freon is very effective for extinguishing 3D fires but is highly toxic and is therefore a risk to any people who come in contact with it. This justified risk in a submarine is partly compensated by portable breathing apparatuses for the crew.
Manual initiation is required to activate the Freon system in a third-generation submarine, such as the Akula II class Nerpa nuclear attack submarine. There is one previous case recording a Freon release into the wrong compartment. It happened on a K-77 submarine in 1976 and was due to an assembly mistake made during repairs. The wrong number was painted on the wrong system at the shipyard.
All Russian submarines use this system, and we must assume that the Nerpa uses it as it has not been reported otherwise.
The crewmembers have access to portable breathing apparatuses, which ensure between 10 and 30 minutes of survival depending on the intensity of breathing. The oxygen is used faster under hard work.
The command post can order a Freon release only if the fire alarm sounds or if they receive the necessary alert verbally via the audio system. It is true that fire alarm systems sometimes malfunction, which puts special emphasis on communication between the command post and the affected compartment. Freon activation is not automatic when the fire alarm goes off. The Nerpa was completed only recently and was undergoing sea trials, which is why it had 81 sailors and over a hundred civilian specialists – workers and engineers from the shipyard, 208 in all. Most civilians lack military survival skills, but they work with sailors during trials to evaluate the systems.
What happened in the submarine’s nose, where torpedoes are stocked?
The authorities say the 21 injured have no burns, which means there was no fire. There could be minor sources of fire and hence smoke in the compartment, which would have activated the fire alarm. As a result, the command post or somebody in the compartment may have decided to release Freon into the first and second compartments.
This made the atmosphere in the first (and possibly second) compartment unbreathable, and therefore lethal. Of the total number of victims (41), 36 were civilian specialists, who were most likely affected because they had not been trained or, less likely, because of a limited number of breathing apparatuses.
Workers and engineers taking part in building and testing submarines should be trained in survival procedures, including fire and the possible release of Freon.
And lastly, why were nearly three times more people on board during the sea trial? Overcrowding can only lead to commotion and disorder.
We can only hope that the proper conclusions will be drawn from the tragedy, and that it will not be repeated on the Nerpa or any other submarine.
Ilya Kramnik
I think it was not posted here
Fincantieri confirme la vente d’un pétrolier-ravitailleur à la marine indienne
La commande d’un nouveau pétrolier ravitailleur par la marine indienne, que nous évoquions la semaine dernière, a été confirmée par Fincantieri. L’offre du groupe italien a, notamment, été préférée à celles de ses concurrents russes et coréens. Livrable en 2010, le ravitailleur mesurera 175 mètres de long pour 25 mètres de large et affichera un déplacement de 27.500 tonnes en charge. Sa puissance propulsive sera de 10 MW, lui assurant une vitesse de 20 noeuds. On notera qu’il disposera de logements pour 248 personnes. Fincantieri, qui espère remporter le marché des futurs ravitailleurs de la Royal Navy (programme MARS), avait déjà réalisé un navire pour la marine indienne. Le bâtiment océanographique Sagar Nidhi, livré en 2007. Par ailleurs, un accord avait été conclu en 2004 l’Inde sur un transfert de technologie et la fourniture d’équipements en vue de réaliser le futur porte-aéronefs Vikrant (programme Air Defence Ship – ADS), dont le design est dérivé du Cavour, livré cette année à la marine italienne.
Vue du futur ravitailleur indien (© : FINCANTIERI)
Can someone help me on this:
-when the accident occurred, was the Sub submerged or on the surface?
-Is it correct that the freon sistem is MANUALLY Actuated on all subs of the RuN, being the automatic sistem a requirement from the Indian Navy????
thanks in advance
Russia denies talks on purchase of missile cruiser from Ukraine
found a small pic of Ukraina
Just the launcher arm was removed and a plate bolted over where it used to be. None of the below spaces equipment was removed, just placed in layup and no longer maintained.
I think it was not removed but cutted to the face
AWESOME album of the Gorshkov/Vikramaditya
(178 pics!!!)
http://picasaweb.google.ru/R.Igor.W/UfeDDK#

I think there is one more in construction. Planned? I don’t know.
this thread is lost on the archives, it was about the MUDRY
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49947
The 96% may be for hull and machinery. It certainly hasn’t AK-630 installed (just turrets without guns) and place for Fort VLS is also empty (only FCR installed). This is what I know for sure. It may well lack some of the internal systems like Corall satellite targeting system or Lesorub CIC. Practicaly the only place where it can be finished is the overloaded Sevmash, because SPB wharfs are in the state of move/reorganization (or should I say disorganization?).
The good news for Russian Navy is that Jaroslav Mudry has been finished building and is scheduled for sea trials in March, 2009.
got any pics of her finished?????:p
anyway good news , I really hope she is fully comissioned soon