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They do talk a great deal about it in their press. Basically, their religious ideology is that India should be one. A good number of articles have been around about taking down Pakistan, even books suggesting so.
Recently, there is the Cold Start Doctrine which basically looks to grab territory in a limited way (or so its says publicly) but its suspected to split Pakistan across the waist-line.
I don’t think India can do that.
Success of this is down to Indian capability regardless of aircraft numbers flown.
Any such move would have to be:
1. Extremely well coordinated between air, ground and naval forces,
2. Have excellent security measures to prevent Pakistan from discovering troop concentrations, mobilisation plans.
3. Have an element of surprise especially in initial assault and in particular establishment of air superiority.
4. Excellent, innovative and inspired leadership on the level of Germans in early 1940s or Israel in 1950s-60s.
I don’t think India has this kind of capability.
As such any endeavour would be met with stiff resistance which even if the Indians prevailed would cause heavy damage to India’s fighting ability.
I do think that the main concern is that there may be some insurgent attacks in India and they may try to act like the US and try to do “precision strikes” on Pakistan. Such a move is what deterrence is all about. This could of course quickly escalate into a full scale air war.
250 JF-17/F-16 is sufficient to deter Indian air force incursions.
Its interesting you’d say that thobbes. As strange as this may sound, the PAF is actually more concerned about the IAF M2Ks. For whatever reasons…
Interesting as there’s under 50 of these in operational service and the Indians are just as likely to hang bombs off them as they are A2A missiles..
Well, I don’t know when this became an India versus Pakistan, but for what its worth, its not the FLANKER or an F-15 that matters, what matters more is the pilot training and tactics employed. As the recent PAF-RSAF training exercise showed. Those were MLU F-16s and Mirage IIIs versus F-15s and Eurofighters…
PAF does do training well and produces pilots of great quality as witnessed by their performance in the past.
By same token, Saudi pilots (as well as ground crews) are not noted for quality.
Hence I agree that performance of aircraft in ACM is irrelevant.
The question that I’ve never seen asked anywhere is “Why would India invade Pakistan?”
So far India has not acted in a way that has looked like absorbing Pakistan. The issues of Kashmir is different entirely – basically a border issue.
But there certainly doesn’t seem to an existential threat to Pakistan.
The nuclear deterrent works – since both parties went nuclear, there has been greater emphasis on tension diffusion and progress towards lasting peace.
True, but if you ask my opinion, and I’ve followed the PAF for over 20 years and visited airbase and manufacturing facilities, the PAF is constantly considering the IAF, and is wary of being big enough. They are particularly careful to not be half the IAF’s size, because of specific tactical and strategic reasons. This means that an IAF which is 700 fighters big will need at least 400 fighters to deal with…
Honestly, in the Subcontinent no one cares what is going on elsewhere. PAF’s main threat is the IAF, and every calculus is made according to this perceived enemy.
Not bagging out the PAF which I think is a very professional service.
But a few points:
1. Su-30MKI is a real game changer. It’s the equivalent of flying F-14s in 1971 India-Pakistan War. Pakistan has not introduced anything equivalent. That reduces impact of PAF numbers. And Indians Su-30MKI acquisition is large (272 aircraft on order) and not some small “silver bullet” fleet.
2. Both sides have expanded ballistic missile armaments.
3. The introduction of PGMs and more advanced ISTAR in Indian subcontinent makes first strike far more deadly than the generally poor result strikes in 1965.
4. That old elephant in the room: operational nuclear weapons.
I think 250 JF-17/F-16 coupled with nuclear missiles is a sufficient deterrent force. In this case the JF-17/F-16s are more for counter Taliban ops, and maintaining power projection and/or deterrence over non-nuclear neighbours (Afghanistan, Iran).
The Pakistani nukes limit India’s ability to strike.
That all assumes you stay a 400 aircraft air force. Remember that even Britain is now a 220 aircraft force as is France.
Fighters are costly business and Pakistan is not rich.
Pakistan may speed up procurement
More JF-17s but requirement possibly down to 150. Mention of J-10 deal that was though dead in the water.
Nah just a bit of fun!
Apparently funding will be made for additional procurement.
Interesting thing is that apparently JF-17 requirement is down from 250-275 airframes to 150.
Good advice!
I doubt Mirage or Draken would’ve solved accident rate issues.
Luftwaffe was growing at massive rates and the type of flying (low level) in often bad weather was conducive to high loss rate.
Remember Spain never lost a single F-104 – they were used as higher altitude binterceptors in good weather.
Eventually they need to think about having a credible deterrence against the only country that could harm them – the US. After all, much of southern United States used to be Mexico including California.
Huh?!?!? You’ve got to be kidding.
Is this like Philippines needs 12 F/A-50s to deter China that someone else was pushing?
Guess Canada might need to ramp up it’s defences in case US wants payback for the burning of Washington in 1814. Maybe they should buy 12 F/A-50 too and maybe 24 JF-17. That’ll stop the dastardly Yanks.
Oh wait it’s not the 19th century anymore.
So basically a early 1980s vintage Kfir would’ve been a better fighter than early 1960s F-104G? Who would’ve thought! 😀
Only in your little fantasy world.
Israel, North Korea, India and Pakistan have nukes. And they make their own nukes.
And it doesn’t matter whether they’re nuclear or thermonuclear, as the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki can atest to.
When Security Council was set up in 1945/46 only USA had atomic weapons of any kind. And China’s official representative up to 1971 (Taiwan) did not have nuclear weapons.
Hence nuclear armament was not a prerequisite in the past.