Is aerodynamically “dated” that relevant in 2013?!? It’s still a full acrobatic airframe.
Not sure where obsession with WVR dog fighting comes from. Modern fighter pilots main combat experience is dropping air to ground ordnance and at least NATO A2A tactics do emphasise preference for BVR.
We’re talking about an advanced trainer, not an actual combat system.
Was there any damage to factory during 2008 war?
Or is it just neglect/mismanagement?
Also any news on Bulgarian Su-25s?
– 40 delivered.
– 1 written off
– All grounded summer 2012
– 10 sold to Georgia.
– At least 1 preserved
– Leaves 28 airframes – some have been stored for a very long time.
Agree on F-111 and F-104.
Also add F-22.
Macedonian ones are retired too (sold to Georgia?!?). But they still used them.
I assume you mean post-civil war?
And let’s make the extremely fantastic assumption that Assad goes away and all the Syrians live in peace happily ever after.
They would buy nothing for many years to come.
Assad was Moscow’s friend so no purchases there.
Syria is poor (no oil resources) so can’t afford top of the line. Furthermore country needs rebuilding.
They still have a massive air force including MiG-29s and would probably “fly” them as long as they could.
Realistically, Russia will deliver some of the MiG-29s and Yak-130s on order.
These will be last combat deliveries for a long time. Country will sink further into chaos becoming like Lebanon in 1980s or even Somalia/Afghanistan with different groups constantly at war with each other.
At some stage Syrian AF will run out of resources and disappear.
. They still can bring German (who also has not choose the sucesscor for Alpha Jet for LIFT, as MEKO project discontinued).
Germany used Alphajet as a light strike aircraft and retired them 20 years ago.
German pilots are trained in USA on T-38, T-6 and Grob G120 and have been since 1970s. This includes nearly all elements of flying training up to tactical training for Tornado air crews.
As such Germany has no requirement for new LIFT.
By 1980s Israeli Kfirs were primarily ground attack orientated with air defence being focus of F-15 and F-16 so no air combat.
Only Mirage v MiG-23 combat I’m aware of is Iran-Iraq and Angolan Wars and then it was Mirage F1.
Also AIM-120 has not been exported to third world (as in poor countries) other than Pakistan and Morrocco. Only AIM-120 kills have been made by USAF and Netherlands.
Actually if you count losses of colonies and prior importance of Indian colonies, then Britain has lost a huge chunk of it’s territory and population since WWII. 😀
Nice list MSphere.
With regards to SU-25, it should be mentioned that many operators have not used more than 6 airframes! E.g. Niger has brought 2, Macedonia opeated 4 etc.
If you combined all export sales of Su-25, it probably is only a couple of hundred aircraft.
Amiga500, Definitely more F-4s built than F-16. However not as widely exported. F-4 was built in such large numbers for US forces because it was used by all 3 services (USAF, USN, USMC), suffered casualties in Vietnam and also from memory had a higher attrition rate (carrier borne plus usual suspects).
J-7 had it’s planform changed in 1990s (J-7E). Early models were pretty much MiG-21F-13s.
Definitely Mig-21.
For 4th generation it’s F-16 by miles.
All I’ve heard is “technical fault.”
By the way 2 out of 3 prototypes lost in crashes harkens back to the old days of aerospace. Nice to see Italians adhering to those old traditions. 😀
Indeed it is. Hence they’re still selling well (big orders for India, Saudi Arabia and UK). In fact Hawk is doing better than M346 or T-50 in terms of export orders in recent years.
I love the high viz-markings too including the code numbers!