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  • in reply to: What if De Gaulle and Pompidou never had an embargo on Israel? #2231971
    thobbes
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    The Israelis must have had reasonable faith in Mirage III – after all when they ambushed the Soviet AF in 1970 (Operation Rimon 20), the primary aircraft used were 12 Mirage IIICJs whilst only 4 F-4Es were used. From memory by 1970 Israel has 2 F-4E squadrons in service and 3 semi-depleted Mirage III ones (depleted due to both attrition and combat losses from 1967 onwards).

    In 1973, the kill tallys were:

    F-4E – 62
    Mirage III/Nesher – 148
    ??? – 2

    http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=47

    Not bagging out the F-4 – it’s one of the best warplanes ever built and one of my personal favourites.

    But it does seem that the Israelis preferrence for F-4s bomb carrying ability over it’s A2A capability and hence used it to attack Egyptian/Syrian ground targets whilst the pure interceptor Mirage IIIs and more multirole Neshers got A2A duty.

    As for flying over SAM sites, it was a slog even for the F-4s who lost quite a few aircraft to them.

    Also tactically flying A2A fighters over an IADS the scale of Egypts in 1970 (probably the toughest IADS ever faced in post-1945 period) is not exactly wise.

    After all those air defence fighters are far more valuable not being shot down and defending your own airspace from bombers etc.

    in reply to: USAF could scrap KC-10, F-15C, and A-10??? #2232003
    thobbes
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    You keep assuming CAS in a traditional high-intensity war,

    Because CAS has been a feature of high intensity war since the Allies finally got in right in France in 1944.

    & implicitly assume an enemy with a sufficiently capable air force for CAS-tasked F-16s to need escort.

    It’s because the USAF is assuming some sort of future high intensity conflict.

    Where is the USAF going to fight that war, during the remaining lifetime of the A-10s? What potential enemy will have both enough T-80s or the like for columns, & be able to fight a couple of F-16s with AMRAAM & AIM-9X?

    The answer is NOT IN OUR LIFETIMES. I keep saying that.

    You don’t like cab rank? Then what response time do you think is adequate for CAS? Will your ground troops have to rely on aircraft sitting on the ground waiting for a call? Good luck with that. I think the US army will give up & buy more artillery & helicopters, or demand its own fixed-wing aircraft for CAS.

    Cab rank is fine. Issue is multirole cab rank.

    Remember, we’re not discussing a hypothetical generic army & air force in a hypothetical world. We’re discussing the actual, current USAF, in the actual, current, world. Consider the context.

    The USAF is preparing to go down the “hypothetical generic army and airforce in a hypothetical world.” Look at comments by high ranking USAF brass as well as the planning options they’re outlying..

    In my opinion, the next war will be against another defenceless third world type

    BTW, you correctly point out that the USAF hasn’t shot anything down for many years (due to lack of opposition in the air), but insist that even so, fighter escort is essential, even for fighters. Why?

    We’e talking about “execut(ing) full-spectrum operations in highly contested environments.”

    As I keep saying:
    HIGH INTENSITY CONLICT IS DEAD. NO-ONE CAN AFFORD IT – EITHER POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY OR MILITARILY.

    FUTURE OF WAR IS MORE OVERKILL AGAINST LARGELY DEFENCELESS THIRD WORLD.

    AND AGAINST THIRD WORLD A-10 IS BETTER OPTION THAN MULTIROLE F-16/-18/-35 WHO WILL PROBABLY NEVER EVER LAUNCH A SINGLE AMRAAM OR AIM-9X OR LASER AGAINST ANY OTHER ENEMY JET FIGHTER, LET ALONE ONE EQUIPPED AT A PEER LEVEL

    IMO – keep the A-10s and scrap F-15C/D and some F-16s.

    A-10 goes by 2035-ish without replacement by dedicated CAS type cause USA can’t afford new tpe.

    But up to 2035 you get maximum return in all those sh!tty little insurgencies the USAF doesn’t want to fight, but will invariably be ordered to do so.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2) #2232305
    thobbes
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    No surprises.

    I was just reading a RAND report whose underlying tone was cut USAFE F-16 squadrons.

    And by the time the USAF has finished shedding fighter squadrons, they wont need 1,763 F-35s.

    Report proposes 500 active duty jets.

    That’d seem to indicate:

    184 F-22
    221 F-15E
    100 A-10
    505 aircraft

    The report seems to miss something – USAF SEAD units are exclusively F-16s.

    Moving F-16 to ANG/Reserve would neuter PACAF which would lose 5 F-16 squadrons and all it’s HARM shooters.

    in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #16 #2232355
    thobbes
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    NEW in Wikipédia (19 sept !!) ;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan_Air_Force

    (also in ‘list of air forces’ )

    friendly, Etienne

    And with 10 Mi-17s and 1 Beechcraft 1900 it’s actually better equipped than a lot of European micro-airforces.

    thobbes
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    I now understand the source of Superman’s powers: DSI.

    thobbes
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    I also wonder how those piercings affect the F-35’s radar signature especially if driving F-35 cabriolet style becomes popular in North Korea?

    thobbes
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    That will be Dennis Rodman flying an F35

    With the aircraft repainted each time to match whatever his current hair colour is.

    thobbes
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    He says some other interesting things that are generally ignored:

    1. Training and tactics are critical. He actually stated that in realistic USAF/USN tactics exercises had to be changed daily in order to avoid devastating losses.

    2. Sortie generation are going down due to declines in aircraft numbers (no it didn’t start in 1991 or at start of GFC). Current fleet sizes are fine for blowing up defenceless third worlders, but insufficient for high intensity conflict.

    3. Emphasis on:
    – Attaining surprise – key component of warfare since humans first started beating each other up with sticks. Today it relates very much to modern fighter design (i.e. stealth)
    – Outnumbering the enemy – key component of warfare since humans first started beating each other up with sticks.
    – Outmaneouvring and outlasting the enemy
    – Achieving reliable kills – the age old question of BVR v WVR comes into this.

    4. Aircraft to emphasise passive over active sensors – in 2013 networked data links, IRST etc kind of come into this.

    I think his analysis raises some good issues and highlights the key problems aircraft designers and tacticians need to solve to win A2A combat.

    I don’t necessarily agree with his conclusion of “small = best.” The combat record of US/Israeli F-15 and to a lesser degree Iranian F-14s and Ethiopian Su-27s would appear to counter that theory.

    I’ll add one of my own comments as it kind of thing to think about the future of air combat:

    “The last A2A combat between jet fighters occured in September 2001 between 2 IDF/AF F-15s and 2 SyAF MiG-29s. Contrary to popular thought it was a WVR combat involving some classy maneouvring by the F-15s and not a BVR combat.”

    thobbes
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    Awesome.

    I’m sure young Kim Jong-Un would love to have an F-35 or 1,000 to hug and wuv. :love-struck:

    thobbes
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    I wish we had modern analyses such as this.

    Problem is A2A combat is near extinct so actual combat data doesn’t exist.

    Comparisons based on exercises are pointless due to ROE, lack of fog of war and simulated nature of training.

    An interesting thing I’ve noticed in recent years is how few collisions occur or loss of control.

    When one trains extensively in ACM or missile avoidance, collisions or loss of control due to spatial disorientation are more likely.

    This is usually considered an acceptable risk as per old Roman saying: “the more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.”

    And here’s something to contemplate:

    The last A2A combat between jet fighters occured in September 2001 between 2 IDF/AF F-15s and 2 SyAF MiG-29s. Contrary to popular thought it was a WVR combat involving some classy maneouvring by the F-15s and not a BVR combat.

    EDIT:

    The other key components missing in the too frequent my plane is better than your plane” is covered heavily in this article – training and tactics!

    It all comes down to the pilot in the end.

    thobbes
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    Also none of those pics have anything to do with F-20 Tigershark.

    Original Super 7 was actually a J-7 derivative.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2232465
    thobbes
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    Scooter at the same time you would take the word of a bus boy at a hotel as gospel if it was positive towards the F-35.

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2232471
    thobbes
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    Kenya is a poor country. They recently replaced their old F-5E/Fs with more second hand F-5E/Fs.

    They can’t afford new fighters, let alone stealth fighters.

    And why would they need stealth fighters – Somali insurgenst aren’t packing IADS or F-35s.

    I think the only realistic potential export customers for J-21 are Myanmar and Pakistan (though Myanmar has been buying Russian of late (MiG-29s) instead of JF-17s).

    thobbes
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    Eyetie ships are rather boring too – they lack the brutish looks of the Russian ships.

    I do like the Durand de la Penne and old Audace destroyers (retired 2006). But that’s because they pack large gun armament (1 x 127mm, 3 x 76mm for Durand de la Penne and 2 x 127mm and 4 x 76mm for Audace).

    I think gun armament was probably a better choice for Italians – NGFS + lots of coastal areas and lots of islands in Adriatic where missiles are more difficult to use (of course this was during the Cold War and there were outstanding territorial issues between Italy and Yugoslavia).

    From memory even their Horizon class boats have 3 x 76mm guns.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Durand_de_la_Penne_D560.jpg/300px-Durand_de_la_Penne_D560.jpg

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Cacciatorpediniere_Ardito_e_Audace_in_disarmo.jpg/300px-Cacciatorpediniere_Ardito_e_Audace_in_disarmo.jpg

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2232515
    thobbes
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    I doubt it.

    Politics and global allegiances means China’s export market is limited to those who mainly can’t afford fancy toys and who generally were buying J-7s up to recently.

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