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    Air power dominates the sea power, if you control the air, which then can effectively neutralize the enemy surface force after you defeat the enemy land based airforce, even your vantage fleet can be effectively accomplish the landing job.

    That’s if they can chug out of port!

    Don’t forget Britain has operational submarines.

    And I don’t see how the Argentine Air Force can go from mainly grounded and nonoperational to full offensive capability by 2017 or even by 2020 or even by 2025.

    I think you underestimate in how dire circumstances Argentina’s land and air forces are.

    Their entire operational jet fighter fleet is hovering around 12-20 odd A-4M Skyhawks and maybe 8 Super Etendards (not sure on operational numbers). IA-63 is not combat capable for anything other than COIN and even there a EMB-3114 Super Tucano is far better.

    Most of the MPA (P-3B and S-2T) and transports fleets (basically 5 K/C-130B/H) are also antiquainted and need replacing up considerable upgrading.

    thobbes
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    Argentina is effectively going from zero capability to massive offensive capability.

    Eastern weapons may be cheap, but they still cost tens of billions of dollars which Argentina does not have and which given they’re an economic basket case they cannot do.

    And then there’s capability building – training, tactics development etc. It takes a couple of years for a fighter squadron to be fully operational even if all aircraft are delivered on day 1. It also takes a long time to train a ship’s crew.

    Delivery of aircraft and ships takes a long time, even for Eastern Equipment. E.g. Vietnamese Gepard class firgates – first laid down 2007, launched 2010 and commissioned 2011. So even if Argentina ordered all this equipment, it would not be operational until at least 2017 and even then that’s basic operational capability only.

    You’re probably looking at 2020 for full operational capability.

    Unless they’re aiming for some 1940s conscript concept by flooding skies and seas with cheap equipment operated by poorly trained crews. This didn’t even work for the Russians in WWII who by 1944 were suffering massive man power shortages due to extremely high casualties.

    thobbes
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    I doubt Brits would be sending Eurofighters over Argentine territory. The Brits didn’t attack Argentina directly in 1982 (failed SBS/SAS expedition aside).

    I think British strategy would be based on defence of islands and British waters.

    I think the Brits would launch Tomahawks as a show of force.

    Also given entire Argentine AF and Navy are mainly grounded non-operational junk right now, it would take at least a decade to achieve even same capability they had in 1982!

    By then F-35B and RN carriers are operational.

    Not to mention the cost of replacing 4 destroyers, 9 corvettes, upgradring 3 submarines as well as acquiring a large fleet of combat aircraft, AWACS, tankers etc. Not to mention cost of crew training .

    You’re looking at tens of billions of dollars which Argentina as the perennial economic basket case does not have.

    The only countries that can afford this level of rearmament (i.e. 100% new equipment) are oil rich Arab countries and certainly not the useless Argentine economy (http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21576120-dollar-shortage-bites-gaucho-blues ).

    in reply to: Future of Pakistan AF? #2263576
    thobbes
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    Apparently J-10 procurement is currently off the plans and procurement is focusing on getting JF-17 which Pakistan has an economic incentive to induct in large numbers (i.e. increase potential for exports).

    My forecast for 2025:
    – 150-200 JF-17
    – survivors of current 63 F-16 plus maybe some second hand upgrgraded F-16 if funds and politics allow.
    – 100 Mirage III/V (60 upgraded to ROSE standard). Wouldn’t be surprised if more jets get upgraded to ROSE standard, especially if no funds are available for new jets.

    thobbes
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    The question arises as to what are you exactly defending from or in this case attacking?

    For air policing and maintaining rudimentary deterrence capability, JF-17, JAS-39 or F-16 is perfectly adequate and probably only a squadron or 2 (12-24 aircraft).

    If you want to be able to dominate Chile or Falklands (cause the Argies are bit loony like that), then something more is required and then in considerable numbers – think 80+ aircraft at least.

    One thing about either a Falkland Islands or Beagle Sound scenario is that both the Chileans and the Brits are decades ahead of Argentina in terms of equipment, training (e.g. currently no Argentinian pilots are flying supersonic aircraft) and systems.

    UK also has fun things ala Tomahawk Cruise Missiles which can make a mess of such beautiful Buenos Aires buildings such as the Libertador Building, HQ of Argentina’s military.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Ministerio_de_Defensa_Argentina_Edificio_Libertador.jpg/220px-Ministerio_de_Defensa_Argentina_Edificio_Libertador.jpg

    Or use these missiles to ensure that Peurto Belgrano (main naval base) is made as inoperable as a certain cruiser of the same name.

    But then targeting Argentina’s navy is a waste of time as the Argentines have ensured the Navy is as crippled as the Air Force:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/11/22/argentine-navy-short-on-spares-and-resources-for-training-and-maintenance

    Ordinance for destroyers expired, lack of spares to put ships out to sea and 3 strong submarine force spending a total of 19 hours submerged in 2013.
    Argies should focus on more basic security needs such as stabilising the economy.

    thobbes
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    Could Some of the Chinese members here press their government to come and explain to the rest of the world, what the heck the USN actually desires to do with these ships 🙂 , Other then diplomacy…

    I don’t think anyone in the entire US defence establishment or even anyone in the universe knows quite what the purpose of the LCS is.

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -V #2000715
    thobbes
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    I included the A-7s as an example of how the Thai Navy was trying to develop a full fledged air combat capability.

    An LPD would’ve been better, whilst money spent on pointless AV-8S and A-7 attack jets could’ve been spent on helicopters or transports which would also help with disaster relief or actual security threats such as insurgency in South or Cambodian/Burmese incursions in the North.

    Leave the air combat role to Thai Air Force.

    By the way I think Spanish, Brazilian, Italian and even French carriers are also a waste of resources. Not only are they expensive to operate but they chew up other naval resources like supply ships, submarines and frigates which are diverted from other duties to Carrier Battle Group Support.

    Also anything less than 3 carriers is generally a waste of time. 3 is minimum required to maintain a 365 day a year capability (1 in overhaul, 1 in training and 1 in active service). At worst you need 2 to maintain some sort of capability (e.g. look at Libya when Charle de Gaulle was withdrawn without replacement – what if it was a deployment outside of range of friendly land bases?).

    thobbes
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    Yep and as such living standards will fall to that of sub-Saharan Africa or Bangladesh. Britain will be reliant on Argentine and Iranian aid for feeding it’s hungry masses.

    in reply to: Future of Pakistan AF? #2263684
    thobbes
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    Pakistan Air force Shelves Air Force Development Plan 2025

    A bit disappointing for those involved.

    Guess the F-7’s and Mirages will continue to serve.

    thobbes
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    thx for info and the pictures. i know i’ve been harsh on the Fulcrum, but its nevertheless a really nice looking bird and sad to see it rot away like that.
    so back to Serbian Fulcrums that were refurbed. why are they grounded.. is it simply financial issues or refurb wasn’t good enough?

    There’s been no mention as to why. Could also be a lack of trained pilots – Serbia only recently started training new J-22 Orao pilots.

    With only MiG-29s in the fleet and all of them out of service due to overhaul, pilot currency could’ve disappeared or the pilots themselves moved on to other jobs.

    in reply to: Future of Pakistan AF? #2263692
    thobbes
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    Third ZDK-03 was delivered to PAF.
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    I was wondering what airframe that was but it turns out to be a Y-8F. Considerably different to a base model Y-8.

    Cockpit looks like a P-3 Orion.

    thobbes
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    Tom Clancy with Writer’s Block…

    That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard on here for quite a while.

    Don’t forget he also mentioned that Britain is on “is on the fast track to becoming a third world country.”

    thobbes
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    Nils, F-7 just went out of production.

    thobbes
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    Obama administration appears to be neutral but then it’s not an administration noted for being proactive or decisive on foreign policy.

    Mind you is it just me or have the Argies shut up since 99.8% of the Falkland Islands population voted for continued ties with Britain.

    thobbes
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    I would hardly say Argentina is under the yoke of the Americans. They’d be keeping quiet about Falklands if that was the case.

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