I’m assuming that *back in the day* Dx etc would have a full machine shop as part of the tech site? Anyone managed to replicate this building anywhere or have photos, details of what tooling used (mills, lathes, presses, slip rolls etc)?
Hmm.. time to start a new thread methinks…:cool:
It would be interesting to see if how hard it is today to get the necessary carpentry skills to recreate the wooden framework and trusses of the original hangars (two As!)
I often feel people don’t look up enough and appreciate them 🙂
Replicating it is the easy part, any chippy who can read a blueprint could do it. The difficulty lays in finding chippies who CAN read a blueprint & then getting past the current building/safety regs etc… Also the possiblity of finding enough wood of the correct quality (old growth etc).
I think it would be easier to build with steel, cover the main beams with wood to look like the original….& then add the (now non-structural) latice but I think that the steel beams would likely be a bit bigger across the spans than the wood design…?
Could it not be the case that there will be a post-restoration check flight with a minimum of publicity, and then a public unveiling with “official” first flight with the media present and the raffle winners as VIPs? Seems logical to me.
William
That kinda thing has happened at Dx more than a few times….
This was an earlier report:
“Man killed in Camarillo plane crash
Student pilot from Thousand Oaks dies after aircraft hits ground, flips
A 42-year-old Thousand Oaks man was killed Sunday morning after the plane he was flying on his first solo flight crashed and flipped at Camarillo Airport.
The call came in to the Ventura County Fire Department around 8:15 a.m. that a privately owned P-51D Mustang, a World War II-era plane, had gone down.
About 30 emergency personnel responded to the south end of the runway, including staff from airport operations, the Ventura County Sheriff’s Department and the county Medical Examiner-Coroner’s Office, said Mark Taillon, Ventura County Fire Department captain.
The man was pronounced dead at 8:35 a.m.
Witnesses said the man appeared to be practicing taking off and landing, Taillon said. He took off from the runway headed west when the plane crashed into an adjacent field, according to the fire department.
By 12:06 p.m., the plane had been flipped upright and the body removed. At the family’s request, the victim’s name was not to be made public until today, as family members in the area had yet to be notified.
The airport reopened for normal operations about 1 p.m., according to airport staff.
Witnesses reported that the plane bounced, which meant that the pilot likely applied gas while landing, causing the plane to flip, said Jim Hinkelman, who was nearby at the World War II Aviation Museum.
The engine dislodged and was found in chunks scattered about 25 feet from the plane.
When the plane struck the ground and rolled, it ended up with the left side digging into the runway. The impact left the left side of the wing crumpled, while the right side remained intact.
“He would have had to hit really hard to do that,” said Mike Mills, owner of the Waypoint Cafe. “You can see why the guy didn’t make it — the thing’s upside-down.”
Hinkelman did not recognize the plane, with its distinctive stripes, as a local aircraft.
By noon Sunday, officials had yet to determine whether the man flying the plane also owned it. It was the same plane he had used to take lessons, Taillon said.
Prior to the crash, the man had been flying with an instructor, officials said.
The instructor had notified the tower that the pilot was doing his first solo flight, Taillon said.
Leaving the plane, the instructor “told the tower that the student pilot was going to make patterns,” said Mike Fergus, spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration, which is investigating the crash.
Jason Somes, 35, of Simi Valley was among the Commemorative Air Force Museum members who helped direct a crane operator to remove the plane from the crash site.
Somes, a pilot, identified the craft as a vintage plane nicknamed the Lou IV, and said it had been flown at the Camarillo Air Show in August.

Will it be at….
oh sorry. 😉
I’m not sure if he does or not. Bruce Guberman (Goose Superman) is the regular pilot & Pete Regina just made it the 20th Mustang he’s flown.
Invader had a problem with the nose wheel shimmy damper which had grounded it until it could be fixed. Like a number of other nosewheel aircraft shimmy can cause enormous damage.
That’s not good, Bill Timmers A26 suffered the same thing at Ft Lauderdale when I worked on it & the result was 2 bent props, some rather large gouges in the taxiway & several pounds of asphalt deposited on top of the aircraft….They *almost* got it to a standstill before the nosegear folded…
As far as TFC volunteers are concerned the rules are simple.
wear hi-vis, use ear protection, no cameras or be removed from flightline. Simple and Safe!
In summary, hi-vis is here to stay – get over it -we do!
Woulnd’t have done me any good, I have a 1in scar on the forehead courtesy of one of Grumpy’s prop blades at Alconbury about 18 years ago….
Not down to lack of visability, but one member of the ground crew still being on “11” when we’d pulled it thru 12 blades & deciding to make it 13 instead. (thanks Jim….) That was the day I discovered that shop rags soaked in AeroShell120 & AvGas make open wounds smart *just a bit*:eek:
SG’s comment:
“I hope you didn’t get blood all over my aircraft!” LOL!!:D 😀 😀 😀
Funniest part was walking to the adjacent first aid tent set up right in the middle of the flightline, next to the fence, only to discover it was a clever ploy by some USAF types to garantee a front row seat & the only equpiment they had apart from chairs was a rather impressive collection of beer coolers & a BBQ… The real first aid tent was at the other end of the bloody flightline about a mile away…:cool:
ZRX61, aka Balders…..
QUESTION? Why do some groundcrew where high vis, and others not?
HAC seemed to be the only crew weraing high vis. ARCO were in blue overalls and the few TFC High Vis were a bit dirty to be considered High Vis! Why don’t pilots wear them? :confused:
Because pilots consider it bad form to mow each other down, ground crew however…..;)
So did they call it a Spitleton or a Shacklefire?.
John (feeling slightly silly now:o ).
I kinda like the sound of Shacklefire 😎
Spitleton sounds more like a dull village in Yorkshire….;)
Fitting really as last time i was at Palmdale there was still a couple of Blackbirds at plant 42 at the air park, although one might have been a A12 but is still a blackbird.
Also there was one outside one of the hangers in plant 42, dont know if that is still there?
curlyboy
Yup, those 2 are still here. Google earth shows 7, including the white one, 4 B2’s & a row of B1’s so thats well out of date 🙂
Had a B52 doing touch & goes here a couple of weeks back & it wasn’t the one out of Edwards.
I’m guessing the school will get a scale model SR on a stick, we already have 3 (scale) B2’s scattered aroud town, the F4 outside the Sheriffs Station, F18 at the baseball stadium, Douglas SkyRocket on a stick at the local college etc. Lockheed just painted the F104 by their gate.
It was nice of them to bring it, but it’s a bit grubby.
I can still hear PR..
“Chocks, wing mats, drip trays!”
Looks like Mongolia to me, that means one thing…..
Chinese Stirling!
Dunno about flying, but for pushing em around a bit TFC’s former MkIX was a doddle to move. SG & myself pushed it out early one morning when he was off for a Jolly someplace & I carried on singlehandedly while he trotted ahead to open the gate to the live side.
At the other extreme would be be the MkVIII as we had to move that one morning & it took damn near a dozen of us to barely move it. Something about the toe-in on the undercart…:mad:
Bet the Argentine Aviation Authority would have a major downer on the Vulcan…:diablo:
The severity of which would depend on the bomb load.. :diablo: :dev2: