With regard DC-8’s, I don’t know exactly how the interior is configured, but VP-BHM appears to still be operating VIP charters out of Geneva. I think she’s operated by a company called Brisair, but don’t quote me on that!
I dont the skill to make them would be an issue considering that aircraft right up until 1939 were nearly all made of wood. The Spitfire was a very difficult aircraft to build and they managed to turn out 20K plus of those. I am sure had the Mosquito been BC aircraft of choise they would have soon geared up to making them.
I think the policy at the time was to drop the biggest tonnage and cause the most destruction,and the Lancaster was the master of the heavy bomb load. I think the US would have well advised to scrap all their B17s and switch to Mosquitoes though it carried just as large a bomb load as a B17.
Although the Mossie was made of wood, it wasn’t exactly your standard wooden aircraft. There’s always the suggestion that the Mossie was made of wood and so would have been easy to build, but the truth is that it was a complex beastie that used all sorts of cutting edge moulding and bonding techniques. Chuck in the reliance on imported wood for its construction and you can understand why the AirMin didn’t stick all thier eggs in the Mosquito basket. It would be interesting to know exactly how many man-hours went into a Mossie as compared to something like a Beaufighter or Boston- I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mossie turned out to be the more labour intensive.
As for the weight of bombs equalling the B17 etc, whilst that’s technically true, the Mossie couldn’t carry the same number of bombs. The destruction of certain targets, such as marshalling yards and other complexes, required a large spread of a large number of bombs. So heavies like the Fort had thier merits.
Just my two-pence worth…
Are you sure that wasn’t the Old Flying Machine Company’s LA-11?
OFMC’s La-9 went to NZ and is now active again having been laid up for a couple of years. I’ve heard it’s heading for the US soon.
TFC’s Lavochkin is an La-11, which is still listed on the TFC website as a project.
As I understand it, and I could be wrong, free entry at Hendon is possible because the MoD puts a wad of money the RAFM’s way. This was done in order to bring it in line with many of the other national museums in London (Science Museum, National Gallery etc) who have free entry thanks to grants from the government. So, if the MoD are reviewing costs at the RAFM, then free admission is likely to be the first thing to go surely?
Just my opinion, but to me the worst part of the Vulcan saga has been the apparent lack of a concrete long-term preservation plan for the aircraft. As things currently stand, it is still possible that after her flying days are done she’ll be reduced to pots and pans anyway, such is the apparent lack of foresight. The current position is “a couple of years and then what?”, which isn’t the most inspiring of situations. Has there ever been any kind of statement from Duxford or TVOC about ‘558 retiring there??
It would help to prise the money out of my pocket if I knew exactly what was going to become of her when her flying days are over, I currently feel very uneasy about donating to a project that has made no firm statement about the airframe’s long-term preservation. I’m not suggesting that the TVOC people would want to scrap her, but the reality is that she will have difficulty finding a decent home here in the UK, and it seems certain she wouldn’t get a roof over her head.
Reading some of the hugely enthusiastic posts in this thread, I began to wonder if I’d been watching the same programme! I thought it was about average, and I’m sorry to say it did nothing for me emotionally. I’m not talking here about the technicalities mentioned above such as continuity and wrong camouflage schemes etc, I knew already that it was done on a tight budget and so I was prepared for that kind of thing.
What bothered me the most was how the film seemed to fail to capture the spirit of things, it felt a bit like Eastenders in uniform at times. Now I know I wasn’t there in 1940, and so can’t say first hand what it was like, but it just seemed to lack that element of camaraderie and youthful exuberance that comes through in Wellum’s book, and indeed in many other’s accounts of the Battle. The squadron atmosphere just wasn’t there.
There were also one or two inaccuracies that I thought did Wellum a bit of a disservice, most notably in the final convoy patrol scene. In truth, Wellum never lost his leader despite the R/T problems he was having and the poor visibility, and only broke formation when he sighted the enemy aircraft. Part of the story should have been his bravery in deciding to break from his leader to attack, thus knowingly exposing himself to the dire position of being without R/T in blind conditions. His feat of navigation and airmanship in finding his own way home is one of the most amazing passages in the entire book, and yet it wasn’t touched upon. In many ways the ‘Convoy Pair’ chapter in the book represents what Wellum was all about- an extremely brave, intelligent and talented pilot. The film suggests he lost his leader, attacked when he shouldn’t have done, and then he magically materialises back at base. Oh well!
It was very brave of the production team to take this project on, and they did pretty well with what they had, but it was never really going to be enough to do the book justice and I think that so long as you’ve read the book you won’t miss anything by not seeing this dramatisation- with the exception of some extra insights from Geoff himself, and the nice in-cockpit sequences shot in the Yak-52.
Sorry! I wanted to like it and enjoy it more, but it just felt a bit wrong and/or shallow in too many places.
Is this the Fury that used to fly from Yeovilton with ‘D Day’ style stripes on the wings that I remember watching on many a school day when I should have been fielding in the 80s or I remember somewhere hearing it had been written off, sorry for the slight thread drift?
It’s just possible you did see this very aircraft as it did wear the stripey scheme while in private ownership back in the late 70’s. It flew in the UK as G-BCOW for a short while before export to the States.
As others have said, you may also have seen TF956, especially if you are sure it was in the 80’s and not late 70’s. Pics of G-BCOW on the link below.
Thanks for the insight Stephen, amazing work and even more labour-intensive than I’d imagined. This will sound like a crazy question given that it’s a flying model, but do you think it will actually be flown when it reaches the new owner? Considering the craftsmanship and the cost I’d personally be very nervous about flying it! If I were the owner I can well imagine myself being happy just looking at it. 🙂
Did you get a chance to test fly it before dispatch?
Amazing Stephen, she’s looks an absolute peach. I love the faithful representation of the weathering- how was it done??
Could you give us some idea of how she was built, eg. materials, techniques and costs etc?
Well, in line with that of BM597, this scheme is based on a well known artwork from a popular Spitfire book, but…
According to available data (e.g. http://www.acesofww2.com/Canada/aces/charles.htm) Charles returned to Canada by the end of 1944, so a 1945 2nd TAF scheme with no Sky band or Sky spinner looks a bit suspicious.
I wondered about this also, the information I have suggests that Charles was taken off operational flying prior to D-Day, so I was surprised to see ‘184 wearing what looks like a very late war scheme with the 1945 style roundels on the wing upper surfaces.
Moocher: Congratulations to you and all the ML407 team on keeping her flying in Grace ownership all these years, it’s one of those operations that has triumphed against the odds. And thanks to everyone involved with the great new paint job!
Tin Triangle,
There are others on here I’m sure are far more qualified to comment, but being as you haven’t had a reply yet…TE184 was re-painted around 18 months ago if I remember rightly, but I think the Duxford show may have been her public debut. She’s certainly had a quiet existence since the new paint was done. The scheme represents PT396, a Mk.IX flown by Wing Commander Jack Charles.
From what I’ve read on previous discussions on the forum, I’m afrad it’s bad news about the colours on BM597. Apparently her date of manufacture means she should be in the later grey/green camouflage rather than the brown/green she has at the moment. What the hell, I agree she looks nice as she is…
Roobarb, thanks for your insights on the roundal colours. Is it any wonder I was confused before??! 🙂 One of the possibilities that had crossed my mind was that ‘407, wearing as she does an exact copy of her 80’s paintjob, was the one with incorrect shades. It’s nice to know the scheme is accurate in both senses. 🙂
Thank you for the clarification Mark12, it’s nice to know that ‘407 not only looks ‘right’, but is right. Lovely! 🙂
I’m frankly stunned by the CAA’s ruling on PV202’s BofB movie codes, how can it be ‘more correct’ for a two-seat Spit to wear true Mk.1 BofB codes when two-seat Spits really did wear the movie scheme back in the sixties?? Bonkers…
I should perhaps clarify what I mean! There’s no intention of finger pointing here, I’m certainly not in any position of expertise to suggest that someone is ‘wrong’. Part of the reason for my asking is my lack of knowledge on the subject! What I was wondering is why there is such a range of roundel colours- so for example, was there a change in the shade of red used at particular times when the aircraft were in service or is it a modern variation? Is it possible for such a range of shades to all be correct?
A sad end to an inspirational operation, such a shame they can’t go on. Here’s hoping the airworthy aircraft all find good homes, and that all the Thunder City folk have as little strife as possible finding new employment.
As well as the airworthy aircraft, there’s also the pole-mounted Gloster Javelin to consider, one of only two surviving Mk.1’s.
Was Britain at war with Italy in 1939?
No, not until June 1940! You have to love the press, always getting their facts right…