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The few (2-3) F-4 and F-5 that defected to Iraq were taken over by US personnel for technical exploitation, they were never flown by Iraq AF.

you are wrong the f-4 stayed till it was bombed by the US in 1991 and i have a picture of it after it was bombed and the f-5’s were given to jordan after the end of the war in 1988
they were flown by iraqi pilots from the 1st fighter recc squadron at H3 and the f-4 vistied us in Al-Taqaddum in 1987 with an iraqi crew and i flew escort with it in a mig-21 back to H3

i did not see any americans,, only russiens sorry

certainly the mig-25 is the faster version but in overall result i think the 31 is the more refined overall fighter with better radar, i wish i flew the 31 though

Some of you gentlemen are realllly hilarious. I swear half of PMSNBCs “news people” are are the current topics posters.

Oh and by the way, if you really believe what the polls show right now, I’ve got something to sell ya for an enormous price, but all I can tell ya is you reallly reallly need it but you need to pay me first. If interested, please leave you’re SSN, bank account info or major credit card information.

what do you mean?

what is the implications of an obama vesus mc cain presidency on iraq?

Iraqi Air Force build up

Iraqi Brass Confirm Interest in F-16s, Armed Helos

Iraq prefers to pattern its Air Force along American lines, and is consulting with Pentagon experts about establishing a frontline, U.S.-trained force based around F-16 fighters, C-130J transports, armed helicopters and other advanced systems.

At a two-day conference in Crystal City, Va., Iraqi security officials spoke publicly of their preference for frontline U.S. equipment, including the F-16, to defend against internal as well as external threats.

“Our procurement of arms will be done through FMS,” the Pentagon-run Foreign Military Sales program, said Gen. Babakir Baderkhan Zibari, Iraqi Armed Forces commander.

Samer Abid Alwahaab, director of public relations at Iraq’s Ministry of Defense, underlined the preference.

“As we plan our defensive capabilities for the future, we are very much aware of the need to invest in the most modern, most capable and most reliable systems,” Samer said. “This is the reason many prefer to work with our American allies and American companies and benefit from the American experience.”

Samer said modern air power capabilities are needed not only by the MoD and the Iraqi Armed Forces, but also by the Interior Ministry.

“Iraq faces multiple challenges: We need to control our open borders and defend against external aggression, while our counterparts must maintain internal security and overall law and order,” he said.

Lt. Gen. Anwer Hamed Ahmed, inspector general of the Iraqi Army and head of the assessment department within the Iraqi MoD, said that the nation’s biggest focus remains national reconciliation and strengthened internal security. But he also noted that Iraq must be able protect itself against neighboring threats and regional adventurism.

Speaking to government and industry representatives at the New-Fields’ Iraq Security and Defense Summit, Ahmed said security challenges include terrorism, corruption, sectarian violence, organized crime and “regional and international interference in Iraqi affairs.”

“In order to be able to handle all these challenges, we have to have a strong government and a strong capability of protecting Iraq from its neighbors,” Ahmed said. “Our insurance policy vis-à-vis Iraqi security is the United States.”

U.S. Lt. Col. Almarah Belk, a Pentagon public affairs officer, said the two governments are consulting regularly on ways to stand up Iraq’s future air force as well as other military branches. As for specific military procurement plans, Belk said Washington operates a 32-member Security Assistance Office in Iraq and has also created an Iraq FMS task force to expedite Baghdad’s equipment needs.

As for the F-16, Belk said the Pentagon received in late August an Iraqi government request for price and availability data on a potential 36-aircraft F-16 force. The so-called P&A request is being reviewed as part of the normal FMS process, and the two countries have not yet reached a point where Baghdad is ready to issue a formal letter of request for the aircraft.

“We look forward to continuing to work with Iraq as a long-term partner as it continues to modernize its forces using its own national funds,” Belk said.

In addition to the prospective F-16 order, the Pentagon informed Congress in midsummer of several potential deals to enhance Iraqi airpower capabilities. They include a possible $2.4 billion sale of up to 24 Bell Armed 407 helicopters or 24 Boeing AH-6 helicopters, 120mm mortars, AGM-114M Hellfire missiles, 2.75-inch rockets and machine guns.

Yet another potential air power enhancement includes a potential $1.5 billion sale of six C-130J airlifters, missile warning systems, countermeasures, related training, maintenance and support systems.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php…45&c=AIR&s=TOP

to equip the 1st 2nd and 8th squadrons of the iraqi airforce,,looking to armed pc-9/pc-12 to equip 2 squadrons also there is need for electronic warfare espaecially in counter insurgency measures to equip a sqaudron? i have no idea what they are looking into at present time

Not really. Mach 2 at 1000m are consistent with an airspeed of 1250 kts or (as the Russians use km/h) 2315 km/h. Easily more than double the allowed speed limit for a MiG-25.

See below the flight envelope of a true fighter.
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The Phantom has a clear speed advantage below 10000m/33000ft.

i said 10000 meters or in feet 33,000 if you understood it as 1000 i didnt mean that i was 62,0000 feet then dropped to 33,000… so 10,000 meters ok!

thank you