a defection happens between two states at war,, what happned in the 1st gulf war was evacuation of aircraft according to the government orders to iran plus we were not at war with iran.

you have ignored the only airforce which used the su as it workhorse with more combat hours then the rest combined
the su 20//22 was the workhorse of 8 years of daily air combat in the iran-iraq war..

thank you

just to let you know that an iraqi high ranking military delecation will visit moscow this year including airforce people. talks will be concentrated on helicopters for the iraqi army but will include plans of purchising fighter/strike aircraft
and although i am 52 now i have submittedmy papers to the IrAF as they have asked for former soviet trained pilots to submitt thier papers.. my be an indication for future purchases

the article I pointed by général A. Sadik & T. Cooper clearly state the plane was indeed equipped with Mirage F1 radar, and use to fire exocets on at least a couple occasions while disguised in commercial flight. It is said IIRC that it’s that plane that hit USS Stark, and that it stop its exocet attacks just after because it was not supposed to exist and iraq didn’t want to answer US questions.

Maybe the falcon 50 were then used for target towing?

Nic

if you believe everything that cooper says .. i and others find his book full of inconsistancies and yes my friend mig-21 was wired and used in active service for the 550 and yes the mig 25 was wired AND NOT USED in active serivice becuase of problems and the idea was abandoned
and what attcked the uss stark was a mirage F1 EQ 5 200 as was painted and saudi F-15 scrambled to chase too late known facts within the IRAF

LOO CLOSLEY AT THE PICTURE;
1.this air show was done in 1989 in al-muthana aiport in central baghdad i was there
2.saddam walking with the commander of the military industry next to him and the guy pointing is hussien kamal his son in law and minister of industry then

3. look at the falcon the nose cone is to change how the plane looks like and they named it somthing else i even dont remember what

4. all this for show the plane never flew with that thing on it

5. those 2 falcons were target towing falcons infact back in 1987 i fired matra magic A/A which was wired to my Mig-25 on a target towed by one of them in the western desert off H3

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yes iraq modifies the su-22 M4 to carry the douglas buddy refulling pod that was for the mirage F1 to be carried on the centre pylon i dont think it was used during the iran-iraq war all the SU 22 that flew with me had none

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THANKS

REFGARD ME OLD FASIONED,,i flew the f1 eq 200 on evaluation flights i am a mig pilot what does the rafale have in common with the mirage f-1 does it still carry the 530/550 and will it make a good front role fighter for the new iraqi airforce.
i am against the f-16 program

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Let start with a happy news :

The 10th anniversary of the rafale B301, the first production rafale.
The plane made its first the 24th of November 1998 and has been used as a test aircraft to develop the F1,F2, F3 and now F3+ standard.

Delivered as a F1, it was upgraded to F2 in 2001, and to F3 in 2006.
It has also participated in many airshows around the world (with the “rafale” tag on its tail) flown by by Dassault test pilot Eric Gerard.

Switzerland, Payerne, Air04

Paris, Le Bourget 2005

It was involved in the Swiss evalution in october 2008 and was used to demonstrate the capability of the first RBE-2 AESA to the Swiss Airforce

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complete and utter BULL****