Blackcatwe can read some USAID ‘programmes’
French Aid programme not that BIG : USAID
Governments shamed
To the utter shame of several European Governments, monetary contributions made by ordinary citizens have far outstripped the meagre sums their governments have pledged for disaster relief. The telephone exchanges of several charities were blocked by an avalanche of calls by donors wishing to contribute. This has led several countries to upwardly revise their pledges.
French Ministers met today to decide on further measures after Paris said it would provide 22.16 million euros ($30.14 million), 15 million euros channelled through United Nations agencies and the International Red Cross. A further 1.56 million euros would be in the form of bilateral assistance to India, Indonesia, the Maldives, Sri Lanka and Thailand, and 5.6 million euros are the French quota for a European Union aid package, the Foreign Ministry said. Twenty-one French citizens have been confirmed dead, over 250 have been injured and scores of others are still missing.
The United States’ decision to form an aid “coalition” has also led to some controversy here with the daily Liberation commenting that “a polemic has grown between those who are supposed to help the affected countries.”
The U.S.-French animosity, fuelled by French criticism of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, appeared set to increase after the head of the U.S. Government aid agency said that France was not a big aid contributor.
“The British are, the European Union is, the Japanese are, we are, the Canadians are, and in this case Australia, even though it’s a relatively small country, has been very generous,” Andrew Natsios, head of USAID, told Fox television. “The aid programme in France is not that big, one. And two, they tend to do loans and you don’t make loans in an emergency,” he charged.
The U.S., which was piqued by suggestions that it was being “stingy”, has given $35 million to the relief effort and is sending military aircraft and ships to help in the disaster operation. The French press has denounced Washington’s efforts to supplant or sideline the U.N. in its aid efforts by creating a four-nation aid coalition that includes Australia and Japan.
India’s decision defended
India’s Ambassador to France, Dilip Lahiri, defended India’s decision not to seek international aid saying: “Actually we have enough material and resources sufficient to provide for the immediate needs of the affected population … If we think that we will have need for aid later, we shall not hesitate to ask for it. If we have inadequacies, we will call on the U.N., the WHO and on the whole international community. But at the same time we have decided on a relief operation for our neighbours, Sri Lanka and Maldives.”
BlackcatSomeone else can also post abt the aid thats arriving at Indonesia from the other parts. As for me, I think the Indian Govt had to do a bit more for that part and need to do more, inaddition to the Indian A & N islands.
BTW the British AID has taken off , from their ‘noble’ skys and they cudn’t find anything nobler than the polluting Russian IL-76’s.
India deploys ships to help Indon victims of tsunami
NEW DELHI (AP) – The Indian Navy, which has already deployed 32 ships and 29 aircraft for tsunami relief and rescue work in the Indian Ocean, was sending two more ships Friday to Indonesia, a military spokesman said.
One ship is transporting relief supplies and rescue workers, while the other has been converted into a 50-bed hospital with facilities to carry out surgical operations, said Navy spokesman Cmdr B.K. Garg. Almost 80,000 people have died in Indonesia.
The ships are not part of a multinational fleet that the United States has proposed in a larger plan to coordinate relief operations in the Indian Ocean region, where tsunamis triggered by a massive undersea earthquake have killed nearly 120,000 people.
“We are in the process of establishing a mechanism for the multilateral fleet. As of now, these ships are going as our own effort,” Garg said.
In addition to the ships, 21 helicopters and eight aircraft belonging to the Indian Navy – one of the largest in the world – are helping to coordinate relief work and monitor the situation along the coasts of southern India, Andaman and Nicobar islands, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives.
India has also sent four ships to Sri Lanka, where more than 27,000 people have perished, and a fifth ship, with a built-in hospital, was dispatched Friday, Garg said. – AP
abv link credit-Jai
Two Naval ships leave for Sri Lanka
KOCHI, DEC. 30. Two more ships of the Indian Navy set sail for Sri Lanka today evening, carrying a large medical team of Army and Naval personnel and 15 tonnes of relief supplies, including water, blankets and provisions. Both ships carried a Chetak helicopter also.
INS Jamuna and INS Sarvekshak, the survey vessels of the Southern Naval Command, left the Naval Base here at 8 p.m. today. INS Jamuna has been converted into a 46-bed hospital ship. It has facilities to treat 60 patients, said Captain K. Muralidharan Nair, Commanding Officer of INS Jamuna.
The ship carried a mobile surgical team, mobile laboratory and X-ray facility, apart from 6,000-kg medicines. The ships carried 80 Army personnel from the corps of Engineers, Medical and Signals. These teams will support specialised relief and clearing-up operations in the coastal areas of Sri Lanka.
BlackcatAlert5.com have donated US$53 to the American Red Cross. This amount was generated by Google Ads. Help do you part. If you don’t wish to donate money, you can donate food and clothing. Its not important whether your country has contributed or not, ask yourself how you yourself could help. On a bright sunday afternoon, over 100, 000 people perished from this world. If your country is part of NATO, are you a NATO yourself?
and thats what reporters need to look into and not what their govt or what their buddys are offering . But report whats happening on the ground.
Dont know Buddy Although Money Collection activity is going all over in our part of country but there seems no organization present to collect clothes/packaged food from North India to south.But still people in both private & public sector have already
have started to contributing a good chunk of their salaries to it.And plz India Bro dont advertize what we have done or what are we doing… We arent helping Indians or Sri lankans or Maldivians but we are just trying to share & lessen grief/pain of our suffering brothers.
Lets pray for peace to departed souls & strength to living ones!
I am not advertising , but putting the facts, coz what the dirty guys are doing is making themselves places for what India is doing.
Now India has contributed 100 crore, a Third world Nation to Sr Lanka. and that amounts to nearly $24million (if am not terribly wrong) …. and what the wealthy industralised nations have got till now is $35million in case of Britain, and maybe same amt from US.
Also there have started the dirty thing from the usual suspects abt French incompeteance….. they started it off that there is not BIG FRENCH collection in terms of funds like whats happening in US & UK and drroling abt the ‘genorosity’ their respective citizens.
BlackcatTwo Naval ships leave for Sri Lanka
KOCHI, DEC. 30. Two more ships of the Indian Navy set sail for Sri Lanka today evening, carrying a large medical team of Army and Naval personnel and 15 tonnes of relief supplies, including water, blankets and provisions. Both ships carried a Chetak helicopter also.
INS Jamuna and INS Sarvekshak, the survey vessels of the Southern Naval Command, left the Naval Base here at 8 p.m. today. INS Jamuna has been converted into a 46-bed hospital ship. It has facilities to treat 60 patients, said Captain K. Muralidharan Nair, Commanding Officer of INS Jamuna.
The ship carried a mobile surgical team, mobile laboratory and X-ray facility, apart from 6,000-kg medicines. The ships carried 80 Army personnel from the corps of Engineers, Medical and Signals. These teams will support specialised relief and clearing-up operations in the coastal areas of Sri Lanka.
http://www.hindu.com/2004/12/31/stories/2004123102440700.htm
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INS Jamuna is the survey vessel of the SNC, and was there with 5 other vessels of IN & CG during the navy week, i don know abt the other, but from what I’ve seen I cud make out that it had 16 Uran containers, now i guess the name cud have been confused by the media, coz i don think there is a Kora class Corvettee with the name INS Sarvekshak … someone can add more on that name.
BlackcatJSF will always make me remember that the Yak’s Design did not go waste. be it the Yak’s LFS of the Russian Engine which the RR produce after very deeply studying it. Or the 70’s Russian technology which is making more and more drool abt the capablity of the marine version of JSF.
Its really a ‘feel good factor’ 😉
BlackcatOff-course…..we know this……we got the news from local TV….showed several indian Helis/AC sending supplies….there were also interviews of indian diplomats……
India was the very first country to send help……….initially they sent a number of helis, and naval vessels……….and they have been sending more stuff continually……
So……make no mistake……we extremely grateful for india’s contribution to SL during this Disaster………
But……at the moment, all the affected countries……..at this moment need all the help we can get from all sources………..
My intention was not to get the ‘praise’ and ‘gratefulness’ from Sri Lankan or any other. Its been out culture to serve w/o expecting any reward and thats what it shows. But just cud not keep the lid on the pretty dirty stuff that the International media keep in tune with their cultural hollowness. Its been an Indian culture and often Asian one that we don go on high profile shouting abt out contribution etc etc. And thats the reason y unlike the Western ones Indian service or many don do their service for ‘coverage’. The sense of ‘non-rewarding’ service is something thats an integral part of Indian and probably aisan culture too. And thats what it shows.
The Americans have shouted out abt the relief and the carrier being sent , but not a single External Affair Ministry statement has yet arived from Indian side mentiong the stuffs thats been done till now, maybe i am not updated on that.
And that said, the Indian management of affairs has not been what it shud have been. We have much more resources and more cud have been and sud be done, be it as aid to SriLanka , Maldives and Indonesia.
To add to the above Ignoring of the Indian navy’s presence was that the Sri Lankan PM had visited the ships too, and that too was ignored by the Intl Media and thats will shows the jealousy and the dirtyness that these chaps grow and live in. Pity!
Also for all u guys, let me also tell u that . IT was the Youngest of the Indian Defence Services – the INDIAN COAST GAURD …… who was the only one to have caputred PIRATES in the last century. And that was blacked-out in the International media. Its after that very affair that Japanese guys started showing immense intrests in the indian service and not have many cooperation.
BlackcatHe means that you can’t do more with it than possible, you can’t turn her into a Nimitz class carrier…
As for Gorshy’s hull, I wouldn’t be so sure about her “good” state. It’s quite obvious on the last picture, that she was just newly painted. It’s a Russian trick (well not theirs, but they apply it) to paint ships when they get rusty, without bothering to take off the rust (which makes your hull plates thinner). This has as a result that the ship keeps corroding at a faster level under that paint. Also, by this painting, they use a spray paint, not minding about painting the hatchcoamings… Hatchcoamings are the rubber layers around a watertight door to keep it watertight, even if the ship deforms. Now, if you paint that rubber, it starves. It corrodes, allows the part of hull around it to corrode and create tears and cracks in the ship…
The Russians don’t seem to care, and certainly not with a ship that’s alongside. Gorshkov probably has received a “better” treatment, for the sale of it to India, but even then. If they are about to rebuild her for 80%, I think that gives a little indication…
It also had a fire (I think back in 2000), fires are not “just dangerous”, they stay dangerous. A steel structure changes under the high heat from a fire, it becomes ductile, like glass. So, if you have a fire, you don’t just change the broken down engines, but also change the floor, ceiling, walls etc. I don’t think they did that back then…
Of course that 80% rebuild will help that, and I’m quite sure they can do it for that money and probably in time too! Of course one has to ask himself whether it is usefull to rebuild a ship for 70-80% when it could be equally expensive to build a ship of itself, with all the attached advantages…
I was mentioning abt the earlier scoffing abt the clearance that IN delegation gave the Gorshkov. There is no one else anywhere in the world other than those who visited the Gorshy, who is even eligible to talk abt the condition of the hull and the ship as a whole. And that same clearance was what many had earlier contended and I was mentioning abt that.
But sev, i don think even the outer sheets corroded will get the inner ‘ribs’ and as u mentiones, the layer gets thinner, I guess, such things wud be taken off and new ones attaches. I guess thats the normal process, U might be able to put more on that though.
Hamburg,
I guess, that was a sarcastic one 😉 …. but then I don think Yak-141 was indeed a good option, but the Yak LFS shud have been the one pursued if it was to be.
Steve,
They’d better pull that forward gun mount and the foc’sle deckhouse its mounted on or those MiG’s are going to have to park on a very odd angle when using the forward deck park illustrated on the conversion plans!
I don get what u mean ….. ur earlier reply was this —
What do those pics show though?. To me I see very little progress in clearing the foc’sle superstructure including the fact that one of the original medium calibre gun mounts is still present!
which was pointing out to the progress of the work on Gorshkov. for which i replied this-
BTW the contract did not add that the guns wud be removed during the handover!. It just mentioned that it wud be cleaned up from inside.
hope its clear now.
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Dont need the logbook. The service history of the whole Kiev class is known as chequered one. The operational history of this vessel is also a matter thats well documented. I’d imagine its not something that would be difficult to find on the net.
Who knows the service history????….. other than the ‘devastating’ fire that ‘cripled’ the ship and was put to death untill the Russians sold the leamon to the Indian’s …… thats the service logbook on the net and many piles who maintain many sites.
And I say, no one, just no one is eligible to judge Gorshy other than the Indian naval delegation who have inspected it inside out. So I hope all those put to rest all their theories that they have been banking on earlier too in that 30+ page Gorshkov thread.
BlackcatAbt the IAF’s transport fleet…… this was what Indian Defence Minister issued Y’day…. abt the sorties….
IL-76 —- 4 x sorties per day
An-32 —– 6 x sorties per day
Dornier —– 4 x sorties per day
There are 4 x IL-76 pressed into operation for Andaman & Nicobar. I am not sure abt the IL-76’s trip to Sri Lanka with relief materials, but thats not an impossible news either. Someone can confirm that.
and the Russian, French, German, japanese and British aids …..
Sri Lanka faces an aid challenge
In the southern city of Galle — the country’s second largest — nearly all homes within about a km of the coast were destroyed or damaged. The city was suffering food shortages as shaken refugees crowded into churches, mosques and Buddhist temples. Bandages, antibiotics, tents and blankets donated by India, France, Russia and others were being sent from the capital, Colombo, to the northeastern and southern coasts, said the government’s Disaster Management Unit.
A German aircraft brought water purification equipment, a British plane had logistical support teams and a Japanese aircraft carried in doctors and medicine.
http://www.hindu.com/2004/12/30/stories/2004123002111400.htm
BlackcatBy what time will the ISRO’s part go up to agument the system???
the first lot will be the Russian satellites (3-4?) and then from 2007 onwards ISRO’s own satellites? … i guess so.
BlackcatLet me sum-up the operations that Indian Navy has undertook, which does not get counted for the International media (read, Western propaganda machines) untill and unless, their big daddies stocks don reach there.
Operation Castor (Maldives) and Operation Rainbow (Sri Lanka)
Operation Rainbow started off on Sunday evening , 26 December 2004 with a Naval Dornier landing at Ratmalana near Colombo at 7.30 pm with a medical team and 600 kg of medical supplies.
Any self-respecting Brits left can either look this one or copy and pase this to the NEWS ROOM of the $astardly British Channel, They did not had any report whatsoever till this morning on the Indian Aid that was send to Sri Lanka and Maldives. But was covering the Australian aid that was said to be coming, which they finally reported yesterday that, it has not yet reached (to Indonesia). They was mentioning abt the aid being send in ”HUGE” helcules, but not abt the 5 Indian ships that have been in Sri lankan watr and 6 IAF Mi-17s and another half a dozen of Chetaks supplying from ships and SAR roles ……. I pity for all those $astards who has got such a huge burden like Blah Blah Blah.
Operation Castor (Male) – Include 3 x Indian naval vessels
– INS Mysore,
– INS Udayagirir and
– INS Aditya
all these are armed with rescue helicopters, water purification plants and medical teams, supplies and relief equipment. INS Mysore was to reach on Tuesday, with the others following shortly after.
Operation Rainbow (Sri Lanka) include 5 Indian Ships , 6 x IAF Mi-17s, 6+ IN’s Chetaks and IN’s Dorniers
– 2 x IN’s OPV —— arrived in Trincomalee on Monday, 27 Dec 2004 (expected time was 10am)
– another OPV —— to have arived in Galle on Monday, 27 Dec 2004 (12 noon was expected time)
– 2 more ships to have arrived by evening of 27 Dec 2004.
Each of the four Indian naval OPVs will have a Chetak helicopter to do rescue and relief work.
– 6 x Mi-17 flown in by the Indian Airforce on Monday 27,Dec 2004. Landing at Katunayake, north of Colombo, (time expected was 2 pm)
– The Indian ships are armed with – doctors, divers, para medics, food, medicines and clothing.
– Each pair of ships would have 8-9 medical teams and 7-8 diving teams.
– In all there would be 25 doctors and 60 para medics, besides other support personnel
– naval engineers were clearing and repairing the battered Galle Harbour so that the two Indian Off Shore Patrol Vessels (OPV), carrying 40 tonnes of relief materials including medicines, could enter the harbour.
– these are sent to the shore by boats and choppers to places indicated by the Sri Lankan Navy
– 30 sorties had been flown till the evening of Tuesday and 25 tonnes of supplies had landed
– Naval diving teams and choppers have rescued 190 people, mostly foreign tourists (sad, the team cud not find anything worth), in the Galle and Matara area, where more than 6,000 people were killed
– The Indian armed forces participated in the mass burial of 300 bodies in Embilipitiya
– The two Indian ships anchored in Trincomalee in eastern Sri Lanka, had handed over 30 tonnes of relief material to the Government Agent of the district.
– Two Russian medical teams in Mullaitivu.
This was before the 24th hour on 27th December 2004 and 28th Dec.
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Links…..
Operation Castor and Operation Rainbow
Indian aid first to reach Lanka
Naval warships leave for Sri Lanka, relief sent to Andaman
Credit goes to Jai for all the Links.
The US Govt has send peanuts to the GOI for cracking, I hope the Govt rather deviate it for the aid of Sir Lanka and maldives. The preliminary contribution of $100,000 (Rs 44.5 lakhs= a bit more than what Rocca drives in when she come here) to the PM’s Relief Fund, ICRC and Red Crescent.
BlackcatPlease help….!!
I am Sri-Lankan (Living in Colombo)……….my family is donating medicine and bottled water to a relief center today……………
Anyone willing to donate….which will help ppl in all those affected countries (worst hit Indonesia, Sri-Lanka, India)…..
You can check out these site…..
CARE International
http://www.careinternational.org.uk/International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent
http://www.ifrc.org/Save The Children
http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/scuk/jsp/resources/details.jsp?id=2355&group=resources§ion=news&subsection=detailsUNICEF
http://www.unicef.org/World Vision
http://www.worldvision.org.uk/
With all due regards to a Sri Lankan Bro …….
I’d say….. not a single Indian who have got self Respect and have any regards to their Nation should ever contribute to these ‘media savvy’ orgs….. more so the Oxfam, RCS, and many other useless stuffs……. but rather contribute only to the GOI’s relief kitty ….. not even to many other worthless Indian media savvy NGO’s …
To put more on….. let me tell u guys if u guys have not yet known, that India have donated Rs100 crore to Sri Lanka and Rs 5 Crore to Maldives. Now that maynot be a big amount compared to the WEALTHY British who have promised $30million or the US or any other western nation who still is begging for money from people to donate.
An Indian relief a/c landed in Sri Lanka on Sunday evening with relief materials (though not a huge one) as has been said by the Indian High Coimmisioner to Sri Lanka – Nirupama Rao. Note that its Sunday Evening and its Thrusday evening, still $astardly inyternational media don have it in their tv reports and sadly neither do many Indian news paper.
Another 4 ships have been in Sri Lanka and now probably 5 and more. With 2 leaving from here (SNC) more 2 days ago, IL-76 have also probably flown to Sri Lanka with aid materials, though am not sure abt that. But Mi-17 have been there doing heavy duties. But all these are still microscopic stuffs that Blah Blan Channel wont get these in their reports or cameras. They have got the larhgest number of dumbs working all over the world.
Blackcatand the Yakolev Shmel , which also had its hand in cleaning up of some of the Western ITEMS in Chechnya. 😎
I wish next time the Russians have some friendly frys for those with a ‘broader’ demand …. 😎
Blackcatk here is the Zond series.
Zond-1
Zond-1 is a long range UAV
Zond-2, UAV based AEW
This one is supposed to have an endurance of a couple of dozen hours.
Zond-3, Zond-1, Zond-2
Zond-3 is a battlefield Survelliance UAV
Blackcatconsidering the fact that F/A-22 can face-off 10 of its competitors, I feel the 150 is actually an overkill. No AF is currently in the world who can threaten the US with 1000+ air superiority a/c. So considering that I’d say the 150 is actually a bit large number, it wud be much more better to have like 100 a/c which in iteself mean 1000 opponents are already dead chicken, or thats what the simulation says.
comparing the cost of developing the PAK-FA to the Western and US proijects is not fair.
for simple economics……. in Dollar terms……
1 dollar = 30+/- Rubles
1 dollar = 43+/- Rupees
so to say that Billions that spend on Raptor wont come for PAK-FA development is rather stupid, coz it wont cost that much …… for the very simple expample, u guys check out as to y offshoring is such huge ‘bussiness’ now.
BlackcatWhat do those pics show though?. To me I see very little progress in clearing the foc’sle superstructure including the fact that one of the original medium calibre gun mounts is still present!
I guess someone had earlier said abt the decayed Hull, and put to doubt the several rounds of Indian Naval delegation visit that cleared the Gorshkov hull!
BTW the contract did not add that the guns wud be removed during the handover!. It just mentioned that it wud be cleaned up from inside.
The pics show no detail on hull seams, penetrating valves/ports, circulatory pumps, HVAC installations or the hundreds of miles of pipework and cabling that are vastly more indicative of a hulls condition than the limited exterior imagery posted shows.
c’mon , thats still is not a reason to get rolling from the point of fall. Get up and move ahead, I consider that as fair and in tune with guyts with a backbone.
As a case in point look at HMCS Chicoutami, a much simpler vessel, and how she ‘looked’ when she sailed for home a few months back. A few days out of port the boat, having been inspected and accepted for Canadian service by their Navy personnel, was dead in the water with casualties aboard. Ships do not take well to being left swinging at anchor for long periods and Gorshkov was a known maintenance nightmare when she was in her prime.
can u give me the litrature abt the service book of the Gorshy ??? ….. abt the maintaiance levels etc etc ….
I dont doubt that the Russians can make the ship operational again.
neither did the Indian Navy doubted except for the dollar fundeed Indian mediawho gets most of their stuffs from their western daddies.
I do doubt the fact that they can do it to the cost and timescale criteria publically reported.
An earlier report posted says, its a progressing a bit ahead of time. Hope thats for making it enter service at the specified date.
I also have concerns about the operational costs the vessel will bring with it when it joins the IN, despite all the new systems that are being introduced in the refit.
any vessel of its size will come along with its operational cost and thats nothing peculiar or isolated ones.
There is only so much silk purse that can be made out of a sows ear.
I’m an Indian ……. simple English plzzzzz …..
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