Paul but did u not notice the triangular configuration thats now presented on the A-50E. which definetely points out that the E version is using that arrangement, The site ealier had the old a/c picture but when they updated, they also did it with that new model which shows that configuration

so suppose, they are having derivative of Bars arranged in triangular config with three antenna the procesing capacity would be way ahead of what a normal Bars could do as Il-76 has got lot of space for that. Also the processing also have improved alot from what it was in 80’s and that definetely have to be seen in this new one.

Its also mentioned in it the specifically electronic int and Signal Int …which makes them as AEW&C or as many earlier used to say A-50 not a complete one coz they lacked the above mentioned two.

But where is Arthur , seems like he is gonna dissapoint me, but let me check out that thread where he had mentioned abt his experience of A-50.

The Embraers are world-class commercial jets beyond anything Russia currently has to offer in the same categories. The ERJ145 alone has sold over 800 planes – to airlines operating on Western standards. If Aeroflot and Sibir and other are able to get ahold of them, this would open a floodgate for a best-selling product that is already on the market. The RRJ still has a way to go and if Russian airlines are given Embraers, the project could become a stillborn.

they are world calss but the lowest thing the Tuplove OK produced have capability than what Embraer came up recently and their newest product ERJ-190. but that said untill and unless the Russian improve their marketing stratergy and product presentation , markets penetration would be difficult.

From a strictly commercial-strategic standpoint, though, the supposed swap is more about the Embraers than the 12 Sukhois. Brazil doesn’t necessarily need the Sukhois as it faces little threat being as it is the dominant economy and political entity in South America.

and I’d hope this one dont go in for a slap as already mentioned in some reports Russia was offering cooperation in spacewhich would be off grwat help to Brazalians, BTW the total number of a/c was to be 110 or something and the 12 was the initian contract, if I’m not wrong

But it would benefit Embraer to enter the Russian market. And not only enter a new market but to possibly short-circuit a potential competitor in the RRJ.

RRJ is not gonna affected and as Boeing has a huge stake in it, if u wanna say that, after all Airbus has been beating the @hit out of Boeing and its the 7E7 which has breathed new life to the competativeness of Boeing, But A350 is soon coming to leave behind the 7E7 before it flies!

The Embraers are world-class commercial jets beyond anything Russia currently has to offer in the same categories. The ERJ145 alone has sold over 800 planes – to airlines operating on Western standards. If Aeroflot and Sibir and other are able to get ahold of them, this would open a floodgate for a best-selling product that is already on the market. The RRJ still has a way to go and if Russian airlines are given Embraers, the project could become a stillborn.

ofcourse not, u have just sen what Emmbraer has got and not looked to what the dull looking Russian a/c has got, the best the Embrare has now produced dont match up to the Tu-334 which has the potential to be the leader in that segment in which is the ERJ-190, A318 etc etc, but for that again u need to have good marketing, presentation and the heavy odds thats gets spread out against the Russians

Aeroflot had used Airbus and Boeing on international routes since the early 1990s. The reason is that those are geared towards inbound travelers from the West that would be more comforatble on Western liners. For example, even Aeroflot’s routes to Finland (a short regional flight from St. Petersburg) use Airbus because the Finnish officials has gently suggested that Aeroflot would do better using western aircraft.

Hopefully ur are ignorant abt the ICAO norms or just biased on to the top against Russia for sure. And Finland was no exception to that which like other European Nations clipped the wings of the Russian aircraft with the ICAO Stage III norms … and that was in 94 or 95, since then its been a challenging task for the Russian Engine makers to meet the norms and they came out successfully with their PS-90, D-30 series (yes, they now meet the emission and sound control, but unfortunately , allmost all the their engines were removed from the a/c so as to get them over Europe and America) and the NK’s new PropFan , though I’m not sure abt their turbofans

Is that an ASW role …. 😉

You really are a bitter and twisted individual aren’t you? The way you make a misinformed and biased opinion sound like a point of fact is almost art in and of itself. Fortunately your reputation preceeds you and the only ones who care about your opinion are people like me waiting to shoot you down in flames. Get a life and an education before you make comments in future. We don’t know what happened so shut up.

if u think that telling truth abt the blah bal channel is twisted and etc etc, fine, I’d be happy to hug that one….BTW u don seem to se ur won @ucking channel , dont u?? .. u want a detailed report from me starting the recently happened series of incidents from the Moscow Bomb Blast to Airliner Crash to the Beslan Seige my friend???….. do u got the guts to hear it from me as to what ur channel telecasted live w/o any break???…… Do u got the GUT u …. whatever u may like to call , and let me also point out here that the Russian Nationalist who have been cleaning some dirty @hits missed a Brilliant chance to clean the British @hit that was present at beslan with his cameraman (hopefully a Russian employed) and with his bulletproof jacket, his unfitting helmet but that same @astardly news what he wanted his master to hear ….. and there was another fellow inside the school Joking to a republican party member on cnn abt how the locals identified him etc etc…. those two chaps were cracking jokes when the schooll was still to be cleared of the terrorist and bodies were still inside ….. u will very much get to see stuff like this when some tragedy struck in us or britain… coz the media would be showing some @ucking @astardly ______ who are ready to change rings after the funeral ceremony of their husbands weeping with that white hanki ….. etc etc…. and the media would be crying with them with all that emonotional comedy …. and the ignorant dumb ___ would be crying with pain as to how much we are suffering… @hit man real @HIT.

Serv,

I’m sorry to say Phil, but the man’s right…
Of course I don’t see the point of noting this in this thread, but he’s quite right about the Kursk reporting. They always do that when something happens in Russia:
Something good happens: They stay all quiet about it
Something normal happens: They make it sound bad
Something bad happens: They declare it a disaster and start flaming at Russia
Finally, they have started changing a slight bit in the West. Although not much.

yes ur very correct, I hope the guys over here understand as to how much of an anti-russian campaign is going around, and that in particlar has not turned to making Putin Evil, I’d love to write a big post on that

and the specifics that u made

Something good happens: They stay all quiet about it

yes thats it ! …how many of u guys have heard anything abt the Russian economy growth in the blah blah channel??…. I guess I’ve not yet! .it was the highest one probably in the whole of Europe with last year having 7.5 % growth

Something normal happens: They make it sound bad

hopefully u guys did have missed abt a TV presenter being fired and the Prono Channel TV6 that was shot down by Putin when he took office. Actually they did not stay quite, but they described it as restriction of ‘Freedowm of speech and Expression’…… yes thats what their momma and daddy teached from childhood!

Something bad happens: They declare it a disaster and start flaming at Russia
Finally

yes the Beslan one was the recent one not to mention the Krushk incident. In all these their primary focus was Putin, and I hope u guys watch their presentation , it almost based on making his Evil. And the Beslan report never ever missed Putins policy in chechnya in there conversation. But they forgot abt their support to the Chechan terrorist.

Yeah, weird, if not stupid deal. I don’t believe it will happen.

Russians are developing so many different civillian airplanes today, its not even funny.
The last thing they need is Embraer planes.

There’s the RRJ project…Sukhoi & Boeing partnership, with some other Russian airline and engine manufacturing companies.

Then there’s the MC-21…a joint Ilyushin/Yakovlev project:

And a number of other ones, like joint Ukrainian/Russian projects within Antonov Design Beraue.

Well i have a diffeent view abt that as its not the yet to be born RRJ or the MS-21 project (A Joint Yakolev & Ilyushin Project) thats getting threatened by the Embraer deal

Its the current Tu-334, the compititor to the A318, ERJ-190 thats getting threatned – exactly not getting threatened, but going to loose some of ts market coz of an unexpected arrival of 50-100 ERJ series. The two probably Embrarer jets thats gonna come in to Russia are the (ERJ-170 & ERJ-190) , again the said figures earlier was about 100 a/c … as these same would be taking up the market of the recently rolled out An-148 and the Tu-334 which would fly with a service livery this December making its entry into civil aircraft world. Though it has already got orders for nearly 20+

and If the Russian Government gets it right, I’d like to see the Boeing being kicked out from the RRJ very soon after the Government retake the Irkut into Govt fold which is buying up every single OKBs and plant to keep out of Govt hands ——- again a part the Great Yeltsin era produced , sold off every thing and also the reason as to u know Y the Sukhoi cant sell any a/c independently and ony through Rosenbornexport, where as the RSK-MiG have the rights to selll it independently, though I may be wrong.

I hope Sukhoi soon dump Boeing and get into the Govt hands so that the RRJ becomes an all Russian affair and their by also getting the Russian engine makers to get in with their engine, which sems not a possiblity with Boeing onbard

and surrly the Govt need to sack any one of them as these three competeing just on home front means only damaging for the Russian civil Industry …. as there are now 3-4 players with Tupolev with their Tu-334 and the smaller version Tu-324, The Yakolev & Ilyush combo with the MS-21 series, then again the Sukhoi, Ilyushin, Boeing Yakolev etc with RRJ and the Russian -Ukranian one An-148 …

the only two which can compete now is the Tu-334 and An-148 with Tu-334 ready , but needs good marketing and surely I prefer the Tu-334 coz of its High mounted engines and a fuselage which actually is from the tu-204 series and probably the most widest one in that segment

here pic of the MS-21 and the engine Prem Motors PS-12 which is abrand new engine goint to be used on the MS-21 and Indo-Russian MTA (most probably , as the IL-214 was to use this one)
and the cockpit mock-up of the MS-21