i think missile thread is where this has to be …

Blackcat,

Your feelings about the OTO 76mm Super Rapide are entirely misplaced and unwarranted. At last count it was was service in about three dozen countries and for a very good reason; it is an excellent weapon. But it is not suitable for all roles.

I think you missed my point; you havent seem to have understood what I am saying about the design commonality (or lack thereof) of the P-15A and the P-15.

PJ-10 has adequate range? What is the combat radius of the Mirage 3/5 ROSE with an exocet? What about FC-1?

Both Barak and Kashtan are point defense weapons. Barak merely does not have coverage problems that the Kashtan suffers from.

And where would you change the extra engine? At sea?

Regarding the proper utilisation of the fore section of the talwar I am afraid I am not qualified enough to comment on that. There may be some space available for growth in them. I do not know enough to second guess the Indian and Russian naval architects.

nope that 76 mm came in coz u said the 100 mm Russian gun is inadequate for naval gun support, so i wonder, how a smaler caliber gun with 8 kms or range wud be superior which calls itself as Super rapid Gun Mount with 60rds/minute, where as even the A-190E has got 90rds/minute with far higher caliber and range …. so i cud not get to ur justification or ur though abt how the Gun of Banglore cud be inadequate, not that i’d prefer a higher caliber gun u mentioned, but just thought abt that , and the Italian ones came just coz of all thats happening …. just coz the Italian gun is used my many don warrent or justify that indeed Indian had to go in for that …. we use wats useful for us , and for us definetely, a higher caliber gun is what I’d prefer, as for landing etc etc a close NGFS is very much an added advantage, seeing to the reality that none of the landing craft has got a gun for fire support …

well am not saying that PJ-10 is enough, but for karachi its morethan enough and i adhere by that, though i’d always prefer a longer range ..

abt the poit defence system that i said, when i mentioned it i said ‘point’ defence system implying to the fact of the Kashtan’s inablity to launch it vertically giving it more degree of freedom to choosing it path. In its current launch it wud only drain up most of its fuel if thetarget is from behind its launch coverage angle .. and the reason y the two comes a s stanfard to cover this shortfall which also agument the point defences of the ship …

well the extra engine came in the MAlabaex exercise that IN and USN conducted off the cost of Kochi, and IN personal was really happy abt the idea abt the USN carrying the extra engine, well if they are carrying an extra engine, obviously they wud be meant for changing it in their nearst ‘friendly’ SY so that they dont have to float it back to us 😀

now tell me will you be going to any airshows in India and will you be posting pictures of them for us?

oh yeah sure, but wait till i get my SLR, and i’ll be competing with harry on pictures… 😀 😀 … Harry don mind, was just a joke . 🙂

Trust me Blackcat, the IAI and Israel know that India is a great market for our stuff.
You shouldn’t abort the Phalcon because it’s the best solution for your need today – both in cost and operational need.
Why develop new systems when there are better and proved alternatives?
And finally there is the financial issue. If India will cancell the deal it will have to pay the price for it.

ofcourse thats what i too meant as Isreal can’t just loose its biggest market, we have to develop new or indigenious system coz if tomorrow Unkil says to stop the deal Isreal certainly will have to oblige, so to have an independ knowledge and to standup on owr own we ned to have that, and let me say frankly that , indeed the US-Isreali combo’s Phalcon deal was which halted the indegenious development of the Indian AWACS, after one prototype crashed (thats what i believe), and the return of this was grrrr8… coz Unkil mde sure that its ally be ‘safe’ for the next 6-7 yrs and this can be extended and the first delivery delayed beyond 2007 if Unkil sees any ‘mischief’ from indian side, In short what India has to do is to accept all the beating on face and still smile for keeping the world community happy…

for the recent incident, there was a slaughter of 16 Indian in Doda district of J&K during the Highlevel meeting of the Indo-Pak FM’s, and the rply from the Pak and Indian side was that the talks wud not be ‘deriled’ , i wonder if the reply wud have been the same and instant if the IAF actually carried out strikes inside ‘Azad’ Kashmir on the terroists bases , which was the only natural and just reply for that , but unfortunately its a bunch of useless dirty $astards sitting on the top who is just cared abt their personal stuffs …

But ofcourse this won’t happen – India and Israel are well on their way to become close allies. We have plenty to learn from each other.

oh yeh , i started liking Isreal after Anaida (she is the Indian Pop singer, an Isreali who studied and settled in India) not that i did not like Isreal, but Isreal really blipped on my screen after Anaida, as u tend to look down further into the background as to h come an Isreali comehere and become an Hindi Pop singer etc etc and maybe coz of honouring and gratitude (which is an integral part of Indian culture, which is nowadays being ballantly taken advantage of by many) …. but then u’ll find so many such cases, like the Norther Alliance top leaders, the handsome gentleman FM Adbulla Abdulla, his family and more so his daughters study in India too and so was the Earlier Afghan President who was hanged on the streets after the Soviets withdrew has allmost all his family members (whom he send to India b4 the American Brothers took over) in here, and truly their request to the Indian Govt for smuggling him out from there fell on deaf ears (?) and I believe the RAW’s failure in there had American and Pakistani hand in that …

and bottom line is that India has got lot of ‘close’ allies which have been neglected for years and I wont the Govt to liven up these relations and the one among them id ofcours Afghanistan , with which India has age old relations …

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and some one put some news abt the Micro air vehicles that India was working on ….

Glenn i thought that it was the Akula-II’s which was under construction and not the Akula-I’s …. well i’d say Vympel wud be able to put more on these Akulas …

but whatever it s IN wud be getting an ‘improved’ Akula whetever variant it maybe … be it Akula-I , Improved Akula or the Akula-II ….. and a doubt too, cant the Akula-I be upgraded to Akula-II standard?? …. as the Akula-II main difference physically is its 3.7 m of an extra section for quieter propulsion unit …

Strike:
For NGFS duties the single A190E is too small. This ship will probably be too precious to the IN to be risked in such a role; it will probably provide stand off cover to ships actually providing NGFS. This weapon is adequate for limited force missions (merchant marine interdiction etc) but the 130mm A192E would have been nicer if available.

if thats the case theni think the Italian 76mm SRGM is not even worth mentioning ans thats gonna be the standard of the P-17 UNFORTUNATELY …. and so do the Brahmaputra class has these on them , surely the Indian ITALIAN connection is working ‘wonders’

No politics, but I feel it very much to be the fact abt the damn Italian connection in the Indian political setup, else i can’t see how dare the Italian’s even now pushing their AJT M-346 ,unfortunately for the the Russian they got to see the results of what happens when the other partner is unfaithful, u loose ur design and that same thing competes with ur Yak-130
In the 80’s for sure the Italian connection is what (again what i feel) choose the Italian 76mm gun for the Brahmaputra, else i don see in the context of of INdo-Pak engagement how a lighter one wud have been mmore effective, and when did this licence transfer happen ??
OF course there re the Italians doing rounds in every defence shows with their products — i wonder how much worth their design of LST(?) is, don seem to offer anything …. and so do their lighter carrier which was beinng said that cud help in India’s ADS, well i call it as BS

but this same damn Italian connection cud not help Indian Navy to acquire Italian mini subs which the Indian Navy was looking for in the 80’s, how pity that pseudo’s enjoy so much command and respect …

and so do the IN’s new damn LST, WTFH do that one have over the Magar clas, I don see anything new, or a drastic increase in capacity. It seems like it don even have the capacity of the Magar class of 15 tanks or maybe its the same, but I’d definetely wud have like the IN to upgrade their landing crafts to that of the Ivan clas if not that of the American ones, and i wonder when will these guys think ahead, and not getting contained in those 15 tanks , better go in for that 50 tanks and another doubledigit APCs and troops which is the case with the Russian ship …

xanadu,

Any of you have any idea where to get the force magazine. Is it out on bookstands or is it available only through subscription. I know I know u have the correspondent who everyone loves to hate there 😛 But just want to check it out.

u can check out their subscription rate and other in their site ….

http://www.forceindia.net

hope u enjoy … and the $hit abt these is that same pseudo politics that u all get to see in India now a days – the majority bashing

and u had to read the articles that that a$$ Swami wrote after Gujrat Police producd proof abt that Girls identity and her links to LeT, it was really $hit man, but then stuffs like these happen only in India unfortunately

here is the editors info, and that fellow is there too ….
http://www.forceindia.net/editor.asp

INS VIRAAT in Kochi during here recent visit to dry docks … and i missed the chance to get in 🙁

k this is the one active torpedo defence on Indian ships as well as on Russian ships …. from BR

RBU-6000 Rocket Launcher

The RBU-6000 rocket launcher is fitted with 12 radially arranged tubes which contains the RGB-60 depth charge rocket. It is an unguided solid propellant projectile with an impact time fuse, which can be switched to impact or impact-time ignition. The maximum firing range is 6000 meters and maximum target submarine engagement depth is 500 meters. The rocket weighs 110 kg which includes a 25 kg explosive weight.

The fire control system provides all the necessary data on the state of the launchers, mutual position of the host ship & target submarine and generates the firing data. The system transmits the data on the necessary laying angles to the launchers, ensures remote input of burst type & depth to the rockets and the command as to the number of rockets to be fired in a ripple of one, four, eight or twelve firings.

k but some also ost the empty weights of the American fighters too …..