In the Iskander-M, Iskander-K and Iskander-E. Very interesting. :dev2:

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/4-2008/item1/article1/

Swerve don’t be offended. It wasn’t a racist comment. I assumed “Europenas” to be Western ones. In addition, not only russians are Slavic.

OK, sorry for the off-topic. Ended.

According to his experience, European and American soldiers are usually better equipped, more disciplined, better fed and thus physically far more developed but they too have drawbacks

Are you sure? I.e. compared with Omon? As far I have seen, Slavic soldiers’ retain a sizable physical advantage over Western ones. It is not a matter of training; it is a matter of genetics.
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PD: I know OMON is a Police special corp. But this is just an example. I have not seen Army special ops corps (i.e. Spetnaz, Vymplel, etc), but I assumed they have quite similar physical standards.

India has already another fifth generation project called the MCA. Participating in the PAK FA will shelf that forever. The MCA can be the 5th gen fighter in the Air Superiority role while the JSF can replace the Jaguars and the MRCA.

On the contrary: the Indian experience in the development of PAK-FA could be feed in the MCA program. It is good for India to gain all access possible to all 5th generation tech that it can.

Co developing the PAK-FA offers more problems than buying JSF and developing its own MCA. For one the Russians in need of money may sell it to China. And in terms of a conflict between Pakistan and India, rest assured the Chinese will brief the Pakistanis on the weaknesses of the PAK FA. Secondly the PAK FA is at an advanced stage of its design with the first flight scheduled next year. India may gain next to nothing by co-developing it, how ever it may supply advanced avionics/ sw etc. And the stealthiness of the PAK FA may or may not be comparable to that of JSF. It is too much of a gamble to take.

The best option for India right now is to scrap the PAK FA. Buy 126 Block 60 F 16s with a MOU for upgradation to JSF in the future.

I completely disagree, for several reasons.
First, India now is absolutely not worried on transfer of the MKI tech to Chinese Flankers and ranks the MKI as its “top gun” fighter.
Second, is better to have a Raptor size 5th generation fighter than a considerably smaller F-35. I don’t despise the F-35 but it seems as the F-22 small bro rather than a powerful multirole aircraft that better fits Indian geographical needs.
Third, as some Indian, Israeli and French subsystems were refitted in the Flanker to give rise to the powerful MKI, the same process may be applied to a 5th generation plane.
Fourth, it is always better to participate (albeit in a minor percentage) in the development of a fighter than just “buy the car”. This in turn will allow homemade refits of non-Russian systems and also assemble PAK-FA on India, creating an Indian infrastructure for a 5th generation plane.
So, the PAK FA option have many “plus” and few “minus”. I think the choice is clear.

Hell will freeze over before Pakistan gets F-35s.

Why not? They got the F-16 during the 80s.

Originally Posted by UAZ
Why do you guys bother arguing with someone like sealordlawrence?

Just ignore him.

The above tranlates as ‘I have no evidence to counter the arguments being made so I am just going to winge linke a baby’

Interesting enough, this incident received much more flashlights than the fatal crash of a F-18 in a residential area of San Diego. With utmost respect to the fatal victims of both tragedies, I must say that some people seem to feel delighted to see a dead man in a Russian vessel. This behaviour is not new.