Andy
I heard the P-38 story from the late and much-missed Arthur Evans of Llanberis. He and a small group of like-minded friends pioneered high ground wreck hunting in Snowdonia and sparked off my interest in same.
One thing was obvious from the Lightning wreck in Mid-Wales, judging by the complete booms and outer wings, it was a very well built and substantial airframe. The Harlech one may be in better condition than we think, or then again … Only one way to find out!
I first heard about this P-38 back in the 1960s when its prop tips were said to be sticking out of the sand, implying that the sea level has risen somewhat. Of course there was no proper preservation movement in those days and no one had any spare cash. For example, I was offered a P-38 cockpit pod by a scrap dealer near Blackpool for £15. That would have gone nicely with a P-38 spread on a mountainside near Aberystwyth, more or less complete in very large sections. The missing bit was the pod which had disintegrated. The only transport available was a Ford Anglia so that project was a non-starter!
But I digress. The Harlech P-38 is quite historic as it was one of the first of the type in the UK and had flown across the Atlantic via Greenland and Iceland, an epic in its own right. After these perilous early deliveries all subsequent P-38s were shipped over. I see no point in allowing it to continue to corrode away slowly and invisibly when there is a reasonable chance it could be saved for posterity. Maybe it could replace the Do 17 in the poly tunnel or acquire one of its own a bit sooner? Just speculating …
Dave Smith
I was actually trying to debunk the myth and play devil’s advocate at the same time, Moggy. Looks like I failed on both counts!
I used to listen on HF to the B-52s coming back from Iraq. They used deliberately non-aggressive call signs such as Foster 15. The voices doing the R/T were definitely American but that could have been deliberate too. I can’t really imagine that they were RAF-flown though. I remember one aircraft repeatedly calling ‘Black Knight Provisional’ with no response. I thought it strange that I could hear them loud and clear on my £100 set from Tandy! Anyone know if Black Knight Provisional was at Fairford?
I don’t think anyone has mentioned HA Taylor’s Test Pilot at War, Ian Allan 1970. Many available cheaply on abe. Separate chapters cover the flight characteristics and peculiarities of about 30 different types, many of them American. The US ones include some obscure types like the biplane Helldiver. Taylor mainly tested aircraft at Maintenance Units prior to delivery to units. It’s very well written and highly recommended.
Well said, Andy. Please come back Kevin and give us an approximate location for this wreck on the lines of ‘x miles off xxx’. If it’s a Sunderland, it shouldn’t be too difficult to identify it or at least narrow it down. Any other type and it gets difficult …
Point taken, along with coat!
and thereafter it drops to Roc bottom …
I thought the same thing, Sopwith. A search in local newspaper archives looms!
Many thanks to everyone who has responded, especially aircraftclocks and sopwith.7f1. It almost certainly looks to be an O/400 or even V1500. O/400s flew from Ternhill, which is not far away, but I am uncertain of the unit involved. The Air-Britain RAF Support Units book doesn’t help. I have a vague recollection that an article in Aeroplane Monthly many years ago described flying an O/400 from there. Quite possibly they ended up being flown to Shotwick for disposal at the end of the war.
I’m glad you know about these relics, Mike, as you are the obvious person to acquire and cherish them. I should have emailed you first before posting. I must confess that I had totally forgotten about previous discussions on here. I plead advancing age! I am acutely aware that any hassling is likely to backfire so the location will remain confidential as far as I am concerned.
Dave S
Hello Sealand. The structure doesn’t seem to be imminently threatened, according to a tenant of the adjoining building. So, have you any idea what the wings might be from?
Thanks for that very enlightening comment. We made an assumption based on a serious lack of knowledge about early aeroplane construction!
CH2787 sounds like an IWM neg number to me.
I took this photo on 24 August 1960. It might just help to locate where they might have been buried. As I recall, they were not far from the T2 hangar.