Tom,

So your saying then that you can pick and choice how and when your going to applie “Historic Canada Laws” I just want to be clear on this.

Mark,

Yes I was and still was against the move of the Lackland AFB B-24M. but my reason are it was the last 24 in the USAF service and since they planned on replacing it with a fiberglass dummy then that is what should have been sent to Duxford not the real 24 since they also got one of Davids old nose section as part of the deal.

Tom,

So the Mossie served with Spartan great would you like me to list off every type of aircraft they used and see how many of those are still around. Just because Spartan used doesn’t make it Historical to Canada it’s never served in any RCAF Squadron nor is it a Canadian build Mossie.

Her is my problem with using Historical Canada Laws, you are all saying that this Mossie must stay because its “Historical” alright find then answer me this where was CAPA and the Historical folks when the CWH sold their FG-1D that was painted up as SubLt. Grey the last Canadian to award the VC. Then their was the many Canadian Build PBYs that were sold including one that not only had RCAF History but also was credit with a Uboat kill. I could list more aircraft that have left the North and come across to the United States if you like, but I think everyone gets what I’m driving at.

If your goping to claim “Historical” anything then you need to applie it to everything but hey lets jump away from aircraft and see how “Historic Canada Laws” work with other Military items a few years back a museum in New Hampshire Armour Museum trade with the Royal Canadian Army Museum a WC-54 and MB for a Canadian Build Ram Tank. Now to give you an idea there are very few Ram Tanks left and at the time this was one of I believe at the time on 7 Ram Tanks in all of Canada. There was no outcry for the Armour folks the one the New Hampshire folks got was a stored un-restored missing many parts tank sort of like the Mossie. Part of that deal was the NH Folks restored the ram along with a M7 Priest which was painted up as a 2nd Canadian Corp.

My point is this you can’t applie the law to this or that either everything or nothing.

As for the US Navy Policy as mark said its not even a real policy it a Draconia law that if you know where to look you can get around it.:D :p

Tom H.

First don’t even think about bring the US Navy Policy in this discussion I don’t think you truely understand it and as someone who has been fighting them for over 15 Years lets just say your not even close.

Now on to Heritage Canada what a joke this policy is, so let me ask you this question Tom why does Canada think that a US Build B-24 flying as a USAAF Bomber crash’s in Canuck Land on private land the owner sells it then the Government say no because it falls under the Heritage Policy please what Frigging Joke how does it fall under your dumb*** law huh we are all still trying to understand that one mean while it sit outside un-protect and has been vandilse a few time way to protect your so-called Canadain Heritage, then there is the B-17 that Don Brooks recovered it toke the act of God(s) to get it recover and moved South once again Heritage Canuck Land claim it explain why, 17s have no legitment part of RCAF/RCN History.

Now on to your statement about F-86 you way off on that most of the F-86 out there are Ex-RCAF aircraft very few US Build F-86 exist most of them were scrapped by the mid 60s. Also as for the RCAF P-51 a quick check of the survivors show that about 1/3 of the 51 out their are ex RCAF aircraft.

As for your comment about Spartan yep they used Mossie but they also used allot of other aircraft.

Oh and if you guys are so hot for a real honest RCAF Mossie then why not go up to the Great White North and recover the three that are in the Lakes. And yes the RCAF Museum and a few other folks know about these aircraft but hmm don’t want those better to keep a none Canadain Mossie.

Scorpion

As I understand, the fact that the City and Museum may bless this sale has nothing to do with it.
The legisaltion states that if it is a cultural property, then it belongs to the people of Canada not just the Museum or individual owner.
Somewhere in that law it states that they look at the percentage of items that still exist within the Country. If it is rare they stay , manny if can leave.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t want it to sit and rot either but the alw allows for other Canadian groups or Museums to come forward to obtain it first.
That is only right in my mind.
However, I am of mixed feelings in some ways. That would mean that I could not just go out and sell my Fleet Finch outside of Canada.
Perhaps someone onthe Forum has a clearer knowledge of this Legislation.
I will try to obtain it also.

Fleet16b

Fleet16b

Hi Fleet,

I’m not disputing the whole claims but what I can tell and going bu the whole Connie thing. I feel that it will be very hard for the National Government to show reason to stop the sale. Don’t forget this isn’t the first time the Museum has try to sell the aircraft and the last time their was quit a hellfire over it. My question I would be asking where are those people who stop the first sale. As a whole I have allot of problems with Cultural laws of Canada for two big reason,

1 A certain B-24 that was sitting on Private Land that was sold and then the Quebec Government stop its movement.

2 A certain B-17 that was recovered but it took the act of God(s) to have it moved out of your Country.

As for your Fleet you own so what right does the Government have to tell you what you can and can’t do with it.

I understand sympathies for holocaust victims, why does the US then not also equally support victims in rwanda with billions of dollars worth of aids. The jewish people are and will not be the only people to suffer persecution.

We have help in Rwanda but then again I guess you missed that part of what the United State has done you seem to only want to point out the So-Called faults of us American when it comes to World Problems but you seem to not notice stuff that we have been helping with for close to 10 Years. As for why we haven’t provide them with Billions Dollars of Money well first it would help if said Country had a Stable Government to do so and second before you start yes we have been quilty in helping African Country’s but its allot better then what most of the EU Country’s have done now.

Hey Lighting,

Simple answer to your Israel question why not hop on the Shuttle and head across to the Europe and go to Poland and take a tour of one of the Death Camps that should be all you need to know why we do what we do. And if that isn’t enough for you then you sir can get stuffed.:mad:

sorry for going off topic. Just one more question. Is the recovery cost a big factor in £750k or does the history have a big effect on price. And If this is so. If you restored the aircraft to airworthy status. This would actually devalue the aircraft through the loss of authenticity in the rebuild.

benyboy,

Any type of recover is going to be part of the over all price. now I’m not familure with this 109 but I can give you an idea about the T-6 that I’m looking at recovering. My aircraft is a C model and very early C model one of the first 100 build. Now its on private land and I have to get permission from the land owner complie with all State and Local EPA laws file the proper paperwork pay for the Heavy Lift and Lory to haul my price back to my back yard. I’m lucky I have a friend who is going to let my use his Heavy Lift for just gas and I have a Lory that can haul said aircraft but it still is going to cost me around 1000 USD for the move plus this doesn’t take into the permit that I will have to get to move it down the Highway and the Police Escort that I will need to get. So what is the cost really well like I said its an early C model and by what I understand from folks would make it one of the 20 Oldest T-6 Airframes left this aircraft also has another history two very famous pilots flew in it Hap Arnold and Chuck Yeager so what is the real value you tell me.

To me that History alone make it worth a little more then most other T-6, so with that in mind I would say a BoB 109E would stand to be worth a tad more then a 109f mind you can you pin down some of the pilots who flew it and was it part of any of the Famous BoB German Squadrons if so then yes you have to add in the Historical Value to the cost. As to restore it back to airworthy status in my thinking it would actually add to the over all cost of the aircraft, how many actual BoB 109 are there flying you have to look at it that way