Scorpion89ok that’s the KC767 out of the competition then (and any Boeing alternative based on the 777 or 787)
Not really since the plane was designed by Boeing all they have to do is build every part in Washington State at the 767 plant very simple to do, it does mean that they would need to rehire allot of folks they let go when they moved certain parts of the767 production overseas. Put see thats the pointif you wish to have a product for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA MILITARY then it has be designed and build by Americans.
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Personally folks if I was elect memeber of Congress I would have made it simple unless the item for the United States Military is design and build(every part) in the United States it doesn’t become part of the US Military.
actually based on the above criteria you’ll probably see any new tanker proposal would be limited to a version of the Robinson R22 or similar 🙂
Wrong what it would do is bring back Jobs to the United States but then again everyone is for this stupid Global Distrubition which I’m not.
Scorpion89What as? Janitor, by your spelling & grammar.
Some of the Greatest Minds in the World Couldn’t Spell worth beans either Sir so F-Off.
It’s obvious that you don’t realise how comical that statement is. I suggest you look up what Airbus pays in European countries to cover all those benefits. In France, employers pay up to 52% on top of wages to fund the state health care system, unemployment benefits, pensions, etc.
No Sir I know all about you beloved Social System and how it works. Airbus gets a right nice tax kickback and, would you like me to go into how Airbus pays and how they get their money from the various governments sir.
Scorpion89The Latest as of 12 Midnight EST USA both the Pelosue and Reid have called for the contract to be looked into. There is allot of concern about Airbus and who is part of it mention in the Wend. Morning Issue of the Times was the fact that Russia wants to have more control in Airbus and that many Congressional folks see this as a step into For. nation trying to Dictate US military items.
Also as mention above a certain Rep will introduce a bill either Thrus or Friday to put the 2009 Military Budget on hold till the contract is look into.
The question was ask of the Sect. of the Air Force today on how the airframes were going to be shipped from Europe and what type of Security was going to be part of it.
This contract won’t hold up folks, I work in DC on the Hill and I can tell you this the Fire Storm that is brewing over this is going to change how and what type of items our purchase by the US Military. There is even talk to cancel the new Marine 1 Contract since its not an US design.
As to your comment Planeman6000,
Nothing like the Pot calling itself Black now its well know that certain Military Companys in Europe have force smaller Nation to purchase there stuff or else we will use trade embagos on you.
Personally folks if I was elect memeber of Congress I would have made it simple unless the item for the United States Military is design and build(every part) in the United States it doesn’t become part of the US Military. But see I’m also one of those folks who think its time for us Americans to stop sending all of are jobs over seas and to punish company’s that do so they don’t have to pay the Union Contracts and Health bennies. I would make it 1005 Tarrif on any item that was produced out side of the US and sent back. But thats another topic and best kept in the Wild West Show of the Off Topic forum.
But I think you will see this contract void,but what really is the sad part of it is this the United States like Europe used to have many different Company’s that build Military items and that has change when you have super company’s like Boeing and Northrop who have gobbled up all other company’s this is what you get. Personally I would like to see Congress go in and break these company’s up like they did with Ma-Bell.
Scorpion89without at doubt some of the best vintage aviation new we’ve had for a while, im not aware of it being posted on this forum, then again scorpion has the added advantage of living somewhere in america 🙂 how about her with PA474 the canadian lanc the CAF B-24 and Sally B? i know i would pay anything i had to see that!!!
While the above site would be cool, I do believe that they had FiFi,24A,CWH Lanc, and a 17 in formation one time way back in the late 80s. I will have to ask a certain Canuck Photo guy I know if he remembers it.
Scorpion89Im not sure if anyone has heard about this, but it seems that $1.2million has been pledged to the project to re engine FiFi this cant be anything but excellent news
a link to her homepage is here
any chance of seeing her in the uk one day? 😀
Old New Nashio,
If you search Wixs you will find the News Release that Gary put on it and the thread that followed it explains allot more.
As for come to England while I say not very likely one can never tell.
As for Doc well lets just say that things are a foot on that front also, don’t forget Doc is 75% owned by the late David Tallichet.
Scorpion89As for the Red Arrows,Blue Angels,Snow Birds,Thunderbirds and all other Teams the process goes like this.
The Teams get request in for next years show by mid season this year, The way the Teams pick shows is Active Duty Base get first choice, then the larger Private Shows and then all others.
Now for Ind. Military Displays they sort of follow the same process but the smaller shows usually can get the East/West Coast Demo Teams.
As for the Teams and Demo Teams that go to Private Shows there is set contract that the DoD send out(This is in North America) that outlines they cost,hotels,cars, and all other actual flight operations.
Scorpion89I seem to read my post as “Hard to say how old the picture is, but it didn’t look too old, maybe sometime in the 90’s.
Yes I read your post and that is why I said that the phoots where 15 Years Old
I never said i saw them on GE.
Maybe not in word but implied that you found it with GE
Looking at airfield boneyards around the world, is pretty good practice for anyone who would like to search for aircraft this way. You get a lot better at identifying aircraft from the air, because you often have actual photos of the area (if you have the time to find them, on aircraft websites, or even on Flickr).
Thanks I didn’t know that jeeze why didn’t I and the rest of us who hunt wrecks think of that. Most of the photos on the net are at least 2-15 Years Old.
Nice to know some of the El Salvadorians made it. Do you know what happened to the A-26?
It was recovered by David Tallichet in the mid 80s.
Scorpion89If as Mark said, the B-24 was seen on aerial photos, why don’t you think it can be seen on Google Earth (providing the resolution for the area is fair to doog)?
Its pretty much the same thing.
The photo was taken in the early 70s from a Recon aircraft looking for something else. It was a very poor BW photo, When the guy removed the P-61 they try to located the B-24 and they couldn’t find it from the air even thou they had the basic location. The location is high up and doesn’t get logged and very few Fire happen to keep the growth down.
Scorpion89I resently saw a picture from El salvador with an unmarked A-26 sitting pretty between a few other planes (most if “fair” condition, not hulks or wrecks, but maybe lacking a prop, or canopy). One of the planes looked pretty much like a P-51, another was a Texan. Hard to say how old the picture is, but it didn’t look too old, maybe sometime in the 90’s.
Except that those images are 15 years old, as someone else has pointed out most of the South of the Border stuff on GE is rather old. The A-26 is no long there, the three T-6 have long been moved one is even flying now in the States and the P-51 fusl. is under restoration now. The two C-47 are still their along with the burnt out CASA.
Scorpion89Mark,
Oh man the B-24 crash photo I went back thru some of my old hard drive stuff to see if I had any of the photos(still looking) the plane was from the 380th BG Flying Circus and was lost along the Puncak Jaya located in the Central Mountain Range.
I recall that Indiana Tony,Jungle Bob and myself have quite a discussion about this wreck on the old Warbird Worldwide Group(remember that one:( ).
I don’t think GE is going to find that one at all. Now as for the whole P-3 discussion yes it is relevant to the topic if you all go back and read what I aid we use a P-3 to help search some possible White Bird locations.
Scorpion89BTW i love the idea, that you seem to think that a sweep by a P-3 (in the general area) would produce more results than CAP could in weeks.
We had a guy in the forum (Fossett search forum) who seemed to think a U2 would find Fossett in a matter of minutes.
Military technology is pretty good, but its no miracle.
I guess you never have work with a P-3 before then, and neither have any of the folks on your forum so maybe untill you actually work with a P-3 and know what the set up was used I suggest you stay out of the conversation. Maybe you should go and read up on the P-3 and some of its system first.
As for the statement about the P-3 wasn’t used by CAp during the Fossett search your in correct sire it came out of NAS Fallon on a special request by the CAP to do just what it did a Wide Angle search of the terrain to pin point large hot metal objects(IE Plane Wrecks) plus its real time air to ground camera was used.
Allot of different assets were used in the search that never real made it into the news coverage. And you wrong GE didn’t find any of those wrecks because one of the Military Wrecks was an aircraft that I know that four guys have been searching for over 20 years and they have used GE many times trying to located this wreck it was found by the CAP Aerial after reading the P-3 Data.
I rather not tun this into a debate over this but trust me when I tell you I might have better information on this then you do since I know many of the folks involved from the CAP side of the local search.
Scorpion89All this talk about a non-US plane winning makes me laugh. I bet Boeing had to come up with some creative plans to make sure its KC-767 containes more US input than the (US-built) KC-45 😀
But its an interesting decision. Also interesting because the A330 is quite a bit larger than the 135. I would have guessed something smaller but in greater numbers is more suitable to refuel tactical fighters.
Hey Eagle,
I think you might want to go and read the contract which states that the plane is ONLY GOING TO BE ASSEMBLED in the United State their will be no actual constructon done in the United States.
As for it being larger then the 135 Yep and this is going to also going to be something that Boeing and many State Air Guard Units are going to use to fight the Airbus dission. To give you guys who don’t live in the States some idea, over the past decade many former USAF base that became Joint Use Base have had the runway narrowed and shorten when the R model 135 came out. I know for a fact that the Govn of Maine has already stated that if the Airbus got the Contract then he was going to file an appel on behalf of the MeAng which flies 135 and their base Bangor Internation had its runway narrowed two years ago. Pease Air Base home of the New Hampshire Ang also had its runway narrowed.
I also know of six other 135 Guard units that have had some sort of mods done to the runways. Last week at the Governers Annual National Meeting the discussion of the Tanker contract came up and all the Govs who have 135 units said that if Boeing didn’t get the contract that they plan on fighting it.
The main reason is that most of these older ex USAF base can’t handle the weight of the Airslut and would need to spend allot of money to bring them up to standers.
Like I said this is far from over, I wouldn’t be surprise to see some of the Govs pull there State Citz. out of combat and bring them home, and before any of you say I’m full of it. Well folks back in the 80s both Govn of Vermont and Maine did just that and on top of that they wouldn’t let the USAF come and collect the 135 or F-16 claiming that they were State property.
Scorpion89Well the Political fallout has already start since I live in the greater DC area and work in DC. Three Leading rep. have called for the Pentagon to explain why Boeing didn’t get the contract and that they plan on fighting it in Congress.
Its all over the local DC news, I can tell you this its far from over, the Unions have said that they plan on filing a lawsuit and certain Republicans have introduce bills that will now get spead up to prevent the US Military to buy or Co-Manafactor any None US build and designed Military Hardware, this goes back to the new Marine 1 bid.
Stay tune folks because the political fall out on this one is going to cost a few Generals there jobs that’s a given
Scorpion89Alright Now,
My turn as someone who does this on a regular base’s(look for wrecks). I guess I can say I’m sort of an expert.
First JDK hit it right on the nail unless you actually have been walking around the Jungle you really don’t have any idea what your looking for. I’ve used GE to do a general search of location to get a feel of what we are up against but till you actually walk the area then you really can’t say what is there.
As for the five aircraft the where found during the Fossett search they were three GA aircraft and two Military aircraft and they weren’t found by using GE. They were found when they used a P-3 to do a sweep of the general area using there Mags to search for large metal hits. Its the same thing we did up in Maine when we were looking at three different crash site that might have been the White Bird location. Of the five actually one was found by a CAP bird and another was found by a ground search team.
As for using GE nice idea but till it becomes real time image then forget it. Yea it can help in looking for certain things if you have say the complete Squadron Records of a German JG unit that operated in Russia and know how to match up aircraft loss to location then yea you can use it to go and search the location and get an idea of the land but your going to be lucky to find a wreck using GE.
The FW189 if memory serves me was found do to the fact that there was a entry in the Squadron records about the crash and that is how it was located but not by using GE but by taking a Helicopter in and doing the aerial search.
As I said before the only way your going to find a wreck in the woods is by getting there and searching for it on the ground and allot of research getting all the crash records and top maps, local newspaper accounts and if there was a death then get a copy of the Death Cert. (In the US all Death Cert. name the location of the Death that is how I found SBD crash site).
Its fun to search on GE for stuff but it will never be used by us who search for wrecks as the main search engine, part of the over all use yes.
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