LOL so now you want 3000 external, can we include external on f-22
oh heck who has the biggest number of tankers, we might as well add a2a refueling

lets keep to internal and empty weight of plane, heck i wont even add armaments for you, there’s a gift to the typhoon
we cant add drag coefficients as no one knows them, but are we going to make bets on it

You don’t get the point as usual. Max range of the Typhoon on internal range is 2600 km vs ~3000 km for the F-22. While the latter one carries almost twice the internal fuel.

You entirely missed my point: the 55 deg. angle is sustained not transient. In english for you and Scorpion: the F 35, at low speed, can fly at 55 deg. until it run out of fuel.

I’ll believe it if I see it.

i think we agree the teens are aprox 50 and deltas are 30

No :rolleyes:

The SD is actually a 9.12, just before someone is confused.

aqrent you confusing flyin a stalled state compared to non-stalled
stalled being when the airflow starts to depart the wing

what are the f-18,22 doing in airshows i’m guessing your quotes or more

your link is long, which part do you want to point out

That is indeed the post stall environment which starts as soon as the critical AoA has been passed. That doesn’t mean you automatically loose full control of your aircraft beyond that point, but the risk is increasing. That 55° claim is very likely to be the same post stall.
As said the 22 uses TVC there is a significant difference. And what extrem 40°+ AoA manoeuvers at airshows for the Hornet you talk about?

And the part on the webpage was that one I put into the “” marks.

fcs or soft does have a few deg tolerance, but only a few and not miltiples of 10

Have I said something different or are you again confused?

gunna need a link to 100 for uro deltas, f-16′ are 25 ish and the canards give you a few more deg’s to 30 ish after that its nonsense and your stalling and washing speed is my pleb view, but a decent link will convince me differently

The F-16s 25° is just the soft limit. The aircraft can reach higher AoAs.
About the Gripen:
“In the high AOA and spin tests that has taken place since 1996 and recently concluded successfully, the normal tactic was to initiate the tests with a near vertical climb with speed dropping off to near zero and a rapid increase of AOA up to extreme angles, and the aircraft could then be “parked” at 70 to 80 degrees of alpha…”

Might have been mistaken on the 100° for that aircraft, though some Swedes claim it to be as high. This shows you of how such extrem AoAs are achieved and that it is not really of any use for combat under such circumstances.
Maybe some others can provide handy links, I’m to lazy to search now, as I have no other handy one at hand.
http://www.mach-flyg.com/utg80/80jas_uc.html

Anyway the purpose is to show you that not every AoA claimed somewhere is the same. The soft limit for the Gripen is still 28° (or at least was) and that of the Rafale is ~29°. In other words the max AoA isn’t necessarily of relevance and what has been found in those studies for the F-35 (55° yet to be confirmed in test flights) is not demonstrating a waste superiority as you fanboys suggest due your lack of understanding and inability to distinguish between the different AoAs (soft, critical, max…). So you appear to compare the soft limit of one aircraft to the max AoA performance achieveable by the aircraft’s aerodynamics.
Maybe you understand this example:
It would be as if I would claim the F-16 has a lower RCS than the F-22, because I take numbers of a clean F-16 from its lowest RCS spot and compare it to an F-22 with RCS enhancers, external fuel tanks and from its highest RCS spot. Or short apples and oranges.

we are both talking using uk term angle of incidence or usa AOA arent we?
the su will stall well before 100
it looks like you call the soft limit as when the air flow starts to depart, which is aoe or aoa, after that it gets nasty unless your in an airshow

gee i wonder how relevant aoa would be to you, if deltas has 50 and the f-18,22,35 had 30
yes the f-35 has abour 55 deg and f-22 has about 70 but i was keeping it simple

We talk about the angle of attack yes. The soft limit isn’t where your airflow starts to depart, that would be the critical AoA. The soft limit is lower and is imposed by the FCS with some safety margin on top of that. The 55° AoA F-35 is the max AoA or similar to the 100°+ of a Rafale or Gripen, this isn’t sustained and just achieved in specific conditions and usually not applicable in combat. The Raptors high AoA is achieved with TVC, something the F-35 lacks. If the Lightning II sustains 55° in a alpha pass or rolls around its longitual axis at such AoA let us know. I doubt we’ll see it ever. And don’t mistake your kind with me thanks.

ef stay with it …LOL good joke that one

Why not? Don’t expect an OneEleven accelerating to M 2.5 in combat.

Up to eight extrrnally. 🙂

But why would a F-22 need to carry Mk84 class weapons?

There are no 2000 lb class weapons integrated on the F-22 at all, so the answer is zero, not 8. You probabley accounted 2 for each pylon as these pylons are rated for 5000 lb each. There are no such weapons integrated however and even those graphics showing bombs on the wing hardpoints just show ONE 1000 lb class bomb on each pylon.