This is 54 mio USD shack
Me think it is Gustav Eiffels and Gabriel Voisins hitherto secret “Le Petit” that they worked on in garage in Poissy 1934 ? Structure and air foil by Eiffel. Idea was stolen from Niuport 17 and Voisin boasted it was his idea. I think I was reading about this in Costes cafe near Pompidour center in 1987 from underground magazine published by the “resistance” ?
Very sad but still some how ETish !
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Im not so sure about that. Here are the quickest turns but various jets.
But with slightly larger wings the wing loading goes down (so more lift can be produced during turns), it also lowers drag at cruise speeds and it increases range.
I think thats the final touch for your concept. But regarding rocket boosters… Im skeptical. It’s a one time boost, and then what?
I counted 20 heart beats for Tejas and 10-11 for Typhoon, F-22 and Gripen.
I missed that. I see that it is designed around it now.
Where are the avionics and apu located? Is it the J85?
There is plenty of room in this bird for all accessories compared to the previous GM design ( which may have been a tad too tight ). Yes J85.
The structure is so simple and yet sturdy that it makes all these big holes just a piece of cake to be cut in to the structure.
Gnat is about 10-20 % smaller ( CONSIDERING WHAT YOU WANNA MEASURE ).
Here is a fact to prove that this AC is actually second smallest jet aircraft ever designed for combat. It is about 13 % smaller than HA-300 which went mach 2.1 at 48 kN. Below is F-5 with mach 1.6 top speed at 44 kN.
XZ-1 should go faster then Helwan HA-300 since it has only 8% less power..but 13 % smaller and cleaner overall Cd. Weight should be in par with HA-300 if not less by 400 kg due to composites.
Helwan was 3200 kg..this could be 2800 kg ( empty ); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helwan_HA-300
Im not so sure about that. Here are the quickest turns but various jets.
But with slightly larger wings the wing loading goes down (so more lift can be produced during turns), it also lowers drag at cruise speeds and it increases range.
I think thats the final touch for your concept. But regarding rocket boosters… Im skeptical. It’s a one time boost, and then what?
This model does not have rocket boosters..it was the GM-1.
Here is now around 3000 km range possible.
You dont believe in lifting bodies?
Why did they drop the program so early ?
Accoerding to the data that J-20 has WS-10 engine of 122 kN each I drew also comparison with J-20 ( to stay on topic ).
I got size ratio 4.8…which gives my tiny Nite Owl 4.8 x 44 kN = 211 kN..just 33 kN short of comparable engine power with J-20 ( 244 kN ).
Is it flying with these ?
From Pinko at first page.
Since this chart has been existing for quite some time now, the prototype of Ws-15 should be ready by now, possible finished or undergoing high altitude tests to this point of time.
WS-10 official max thrust is 122kn, on par with that of AL31F, even though the WS-10 reached > 130kn during endurance test, probably so that it can be conveniently exchanged with AL31F on J11s. be mindful, the Russians have stopped any AL31F for J11s, WS-10 is the only choice, and it’s mature now with massive production and consistent J11Bs/J11BSs being produced and inducted .
Now there’s improved Ws-10G, with FADEC, 1st customer most likely to be PLANAF’s J15 for better TWR needed during aircraft carrier’s taking off. However, as J-15 itself is in prototype stage, unlikely, Ws-10G could be mature at present and being installed on J20 prototype.
The j-20 main contractor, CAC has a close working relation with Russia’s Salyut, Salyut secured AL-31F contract from Saturn because of Chinese order ( CAC’s J10), and developed improved AL-31F-m1, m2 , m3 etc, solely for CAC initially, although later the Al31F-M1 became the standard powerplant of Su27SM. The AL31F-M1 reaches 13 ton max thust, slightly higher than wS-10 current allowed max thust . M2 reaches 14 tons, currently the best can be offered by Salyut to CAC, I suspect the Al-31F-M2 could have been installed in the J-20 prototype.
What is approximately the engine out put in this J-20 ?
Here is the difference between an attack aircraft and a small interceptor. Power to weight or size/thrust vise this is in par with F-18, but since all weapons are concealed it has to be faster since form is cleaner.
ROFLMAO– you smoked one too many doobies and popped far too many pills.
You are living in Neverland.
I meant internally. Another 4 AIM9Xs could be added ( internally ) at the cause of 800 liters less fuel.
TU22M !
Here is a feature you seemed to miss; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPYR7URqdE
This Nite Owl will fly tight circles inside Gripen turning radius as it is now.
Here is the tuned up version with 12% more relative power than Mig-21.
I estimate mach 2.45 top speed.
Same amount of missiles as in F-35. Could this sell at 15 mio USD tag on it ?
It is 1.78 times smaller than Mig-21 and 4.3 times smaller ( with similar armament ) as J-20.
Operating time 1 hr 30 min ( range 1500 km ).
I am satisfied for time being. :eagerness:
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One real problem is the weapons release. I think some wiggle room for that should be needed. I also think your aircraft should be made a little bit longer so you can fit more fuel and a better engine.
It’s not the end of the world if your prototype ends up closer to 6 tonnes. It would still be the smallest fighter in the wurld.
I think you nailed it..the room/system for extending the missiles is vital for the success in making this kinda stealth fighter small.
I have now 4 + 4 missiles ( AMRAAM + AIM9 ) concealed and 5% more frontal area than in Helwan HA-300 which is the second smallest jet fighter right after Folland Gnat. HA-300 was cpable to fly mach 2.1 at 48 kN thrust. Something about my lay out tells the fact that it has in comparison to HA-300 about 30% more wetted area. It is still considerably smaller than F-5.
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Edit ; I dropped also the 2 AIMX9s away and now have a plane that has 4% less frontal area 20% less side view area and 22% more top view area than HA-300..with more streamlining ( cleaner form better Cd ) and expecting to be able to mach 2.05 with 44 kN with 6 missiles ( 4xAMRAAM + 2xAIM9X ). This could actually also be faster than HA-300….due to the cleaner form…albeit having more wetted area ( 7 m2 about ).