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Which JP are you talking about? The JP T.1 was an quite an underpowered aircraft (whatever happened to Kennet’s one?), wheras the later JP T.5s and Strikemasters were considerably more sprightly performers in comparison.
Right you are. It had 7% better power to weight ratio than T5 had.
topspeedOr could it have been because it was a grotty little underpowered jet bicycle that needed the curvature of the earth to get airborne. The Magister was generally regarded as underpowered, yet had two of the same Marbore engines that powered the Student. Of course, my negative opinion of the Student may be tainted by having to recover the wreck from the end of Duxford’s runway after an EFTO, and seeing how it folded up like an origami model that has been run over by a steamroller! Totally, totally unsuitable for a military trainer.
Jet Provost had 18.5% higher power to weight ratio.
OTOH Miles M100 just 132 kg/m2 wing loading where as Jet Provost 211 kg/m2 wing loading ( Miles being 37.5 % lighter ).
Leaving the tarmac leaves still the Miles an advantage in my opinion.
topspeedYes but that doesn’t answer the question does it?
No it doesn’t and both are just single engine planes. Weaker powered Miles M100 maybe did not reach high enough speed to simulate close to real jet combat aircraft ?
topspeedThat’s an interesting question. I always thought it a damn good proposition for the RAF and remember seeing it at Farnborough. Typically Miles, it was different and perhaps the top brass didn’t go for that, preferring the more conventional.
Okay Charlie Hunt !
Here is the Miles M100 Student; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Student
Here is the winner BAE Jet Provost; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_Jet_Provost
…ooops it has just one engine of 11.1 kN…silly me…I correct the list.
I was wondering…I wonder no more.
It looks much better now…and Jet Provost is amongst its peers.
topspeedHello Mark Pilkington !
I was about to start a thread week ago about a board game that I invented some 30 years ago based on this African Star; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikan_t%C3%A4hti and Monoply rules applied to a game where you ( participants ) buy aeroplanes with certain capabilities and move them according to the planes factor..corcorde went 4 times the dice number etc. Usually the winner was the one who got Boeing 747 first.
Game was called FLY AMERICA and I actually painted it on a backside of a certain plywood pool game ( corona ). It was great fun..and you used monoply money on it. It would be a blast even today if reinvented.
Regards,
Juke
topspeedHow far from the original course to Howland Island is this Nikumaroro Island ?
That article sounds a lot like a true happening here in Lappland in the 60ies. A 5 year old girl wandered of from her home some 90 km north by foot. She had been searched from 70 km distance in wilderness from her home. Week later she was found dead foot stuck in a river beds rocks and hand on a root of a tree..drowned in foot of water…two days later as the search was put out. Eating berries and drinking water from a river. A blue wool sweater was found found first and an intence search was started again..just to find little Anja girl dead.
topspeedHere is now what this smaller composite jet with similar amount of seats in VLJ size looks with bigger SN601 Corvette.
It is 41 % smaller but also has 41 % less output.
Cruzer wing loading is 220 kg/m2 vs 300 kg/m2 in SN601.
topspeedThe SFC of the small PWC600s is at 0.45. Much better than Trent XWB ( which is supposed to be 9.5 % better than Trent 500 ).
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/2000/2000-1%20-%201800.html
Only thing hindering small VLJ size planes is that they need two pilots like big ones..making them lesser profitable.
topspeedI’m looking forward to a Cessna 172-class SE jet. It should be possible…after all a jet has fewer parts than a piston engine and can burn any decent fuel.
Do I expect to see one in the next 30 years? No, not really, but hope springs eternal.
I have no idea but I checked that there was a 16 seater “almost” VLJ once…SN601 Corvette.
Also YAK-40 and Boeing 737 sported 0.84 and 0.89 kN / soul. So my diminutive at 12 seater is 1.08 kN/soul powered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_Corvette
VT-Cruzer sports much more wing area than Corvette yet is much smaller in overall size ( to be fast with smaller engines ).
Here is a list of jets with their output and you can see for yourself:
Antonov A-13M 0.23 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=77
Prue 215A 0.245 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=13
Ventus 0.32 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=60
MC15 jet 0.33 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=278
Alisport Silent J 0.45 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=16
Cri-Cri jet 0.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colomban_Cri-cri
Sirocket 0.46 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=327
Subsonex JSX-1 1.05 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=296
Acrostar BD-5J 1.1 kN; http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/q-branch/…nijet.php3
Fouga CM.8 Cyclope II 1.6 kN; http://www.aviafrance.com/fouga-cm-8r9-8-cyclope-ii-aviation-france-9348.htm
Microstar ( Variviggen Jet ) 1.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=31 ( 2 seater )
Caproni C22 1.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=36 ( 2 seater )
Microjet 200 2.2 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=39 ( 2 seater )
Fouga CM88 2.75 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=130 ( 2 seater )
Miles Sparrowjet 2.94 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Sparrowjet
Ikarus 451M 3.0 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikarus_451M ( 1 cannon + 6 rockets )
Ikarus 452 M 3.2 kN; http://forum.worldofwarplanes.com/index.php?/topic/2048-ikarus-452-m/ ( 2 x cannon )
Ambrosini Sagittario 3.8 kN; http://www.aviastar.org/air/italy/ambrosini_sagittario.php
Gloster E.28/39 3.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39
Cosyjet 3.8 kN ;http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=90
Berkut Jet 3.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=237
Velocity Jet 3.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=91
Miles M100 Student 3.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Student
N-20.2 ” ARBALETE” 4.0 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=75
He-178 4.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178
Temco TT Pinto 4.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temco_TT_Pinto
SAAB 210 4.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_210
GAF Pika 4.7 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=94
Eclipse 400 4.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_400
Viperjet ( proto ) 4.95 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=109
………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ……………………………………….0 to 5 kN planes
CMC Leopard II 6.1 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=116
V-JET II 6.12 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=278
Maverick TwinJet 7.6 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=89
Ha-200 7.8 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=101
He-162 7.85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_162 ( e-seat )
Fouga Magister 7.84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouga_CM.170_Magister
Eclipse500 8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_500
Epic Victory 8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Victory
Handley Page HP.115 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_HP.115
Cirrus SJ50 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_SJ50_Vision
Diamond D-Jet 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_D-Jet
Yak-15 8.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-15
LA-150 8.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_Aircraft_150
YAK-17 8.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-17
T-37 9.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
Nakajima Kikka 9.4 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=245&no_cache=1
PZL TS-11 Iskra 9.81 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_TS-11_Iskra ( 2 x e-seats )
LA-152 10.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-152
YAK-19 10.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-19
Soko G-2 Galeb 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_G-2_Galeb ( E-seats )
Aermacchi MB-326 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_MB-326 ( 2 e-seats )
LA-160 11.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_Aircraft_160
He-280 11.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_280
Adam A700 12 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_A700
McDonnell Phantom I 12.2 kN; http://www.minijets.org/index.php?id=297
Piper-Jet PA-47 12.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-47_PiperJet
Viperjet mkII 12.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viper_Aircraft_ViperJet
Citation Mustang 13 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_Mustang
XF-85 Goblin 13.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin
VisionAire Vantage 13.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EV-20_Vantage_Jet
ARES 13.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_ARES ( E-seat )
Saab J-21R 13.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R
Bird of Prey 14.2 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Bird_of_Prey
Phenom 100 14.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_100
DH.100 Vampire 14.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire
SAAB 105 15 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_105
MIG-9 15.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-9
YAK-23 15.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-23
LA-15 15.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-15
Epic Elite 16 kN; http://www.aircraftcompare.com/helicopter-airplane/Epic-Elite/339#spec
Avro 707 16 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_707
Hongdu JL-8 16.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_JL-8
Aerfer Sagittario 2 16.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerfer_Sagittario_2
DH.108 Swallow 16.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_DH_108
Comp Air Jet 16.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerocomp_Comp_Air_Jet
Tamjet 17 kN; http://www.airwar.ru/enc/aliner/tamjet.html
Aero L-29 Delfin 17.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-29_Delf%C3%ADn
Citation CJ1 17.48 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_CitationJet
Me-262; 17,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
Arado 234 B-2 17.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234
P-59 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
FJ-1 Fury 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_FJ-1_Fury
Honda Jet 18.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_HA-420_HondaJet( 8 seater )
Cessna Citation I 19.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_I
………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ……………………………………..5 to 20 kN planes
Emivest SJ30 20.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emivest_SJ30 ( 7 seater, prototype demolished by hurricane Ike )
Raytheon 390 Premier I 20.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Premier_I ( 8 seater )
S9000 Trident 20.1 kN ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASO_Trident ( Mach 1.6 )
Folland Gnat 20.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folland_Gnat
Helwan HA-300 21.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helwan_HA-300 ( MACH 2.1 with 48 kN using AB designed by Willy Messerschmitt )
Br 1001 Taon 21,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_Taon
Supermarine Attacker 22 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Attacker
BAE_Jet_Provost 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_Jet_Provost
Fiat G.91 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91
SN601 Corvette 22.24 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospatiale_Corvette ( 16 seater )
Boulton _Paul_P.111 22.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulton_Paul_P.111
Hawker Sea Hawk 23.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Hawk
Canadair CT-114 Tutor 23.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CT-114_Tutor
P-80 24 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-…oting_Star
Aerfer Ariete 24.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerfer_Ariete
Grop G180 SPn 24.88 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grob_SPn
Lear Jet 23 25.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_23 ( 8 seater )
Hawker 400XP 25.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon_Hawker_400XP ( 11 seater )
T-1-Jayhawk 26 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon_T-1_Jayhawk
LearJet24 26.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_24
LearJet 25 26.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lear_Jet_25 ( 10 seater )
Hansa Jet 26.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFB-320_Hansa_Jet ( 17 seater )
Alpha Jet 26.4; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault/Dornier_Alpha_Jet
F9F Panther 26.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F9F_Panther
Mig-15 26,5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15
F-86 26,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86_Sabre
Citation Encore 27.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_V#Citation_Encore.2FEncore.2B
SAAB-27 Tunnan 27.5 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
Embraer Phenom 300 28.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_Phenom_300 ( 9 seater one in toilet )
BAE HAWK 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Hawk
F2H Banshee 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F2H_Banshee
Dassault Falcon 10 29.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_10 ( 10 seater )
YAK-40 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-40 ( 35 seater )
Dassault Mystere 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Myst%C3%A8re
SE5000 Baroudeur 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASE_Baroudeur
LearJet45 31 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_45
Gloster Meteor 31,2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor
Kawasaki T-4 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_T-4
White Knight 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp…ite_Knight
F-84 32.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-…nderstreak
Mig-17 33.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17
T-38 Talon 34 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_T-38_Talon
XB-43 Jetmaster 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-43_Jetmaster
A4D Skyhawk 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
F-9 Cougar 38 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-9_Cougar
A4F Skyhawk 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
LearJet_60 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_60
Saunders Roe SR.53 43 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.53 ( Mach 2.2 )
Avro 720 43.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_720 ( mach 2.0 )
Dassault Super Mystere 44.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Su…st%C3%A8re
F-5 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5
IAR-93 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-93
Fairey Delta 44.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Delta
Hawker Hunter 45.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter
PZL-230 Scorpion 45.6 kN; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/w…zl-230.htm
YAK-25 46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-25
Grumman F-11 Tiger 46.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-11_Tiger
AMX 49.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_International_AMX
Super Enterdard 49.5 kN; http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/super_etendard.pl
………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. 20 to 50 kN planes
YAK-130 50 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130
SE-212 Durandal 50.35 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASE_SE-212_Durandal
Il-28 53 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
Fairchild Dornier 328JET 53.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Dornier_328JET ( 37 seater )
F7U Cutlass 54 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F7U_Cutlass
M-346 57 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_M-346
XF-91 Thunderceptor 58.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XF-91_Thunderceptor
Bombardier_300 60.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_300( 18 seater )
Mirage III 60.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_III
Bristol 188 62 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_188
MIG-19 63.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-19
YAK-38 64 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-38
F-7 64.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7_Corsair_II
Chengdu J-7 64.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
Sepecat Jaguar 65 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar
SAAB-32 Lansen 65.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen
WFW-Fokker 614 66.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFW-614 ( 46 seater )
Guizhou JL-9 66.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9
Südaviation Vautour 68.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour
Mitsubishi F-1 71.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-1
XB-51 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_XB-51
Mig-21 69,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21
F-104 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
F-102 Delta_Dagger 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-102_Delta_Dagger
F4D Skyray 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_F4D_Skyray
F-100 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…uper_Sabre
Mirage F1 70.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_F1
Nanchang Q-5 73.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang_Q-5
Shenyang J-6/F6 73.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-6
YAK-27 Mandrake 74.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-27
F-20 Tigershark 76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark
Bombardier Challenger 850 77.68 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_850 ( 17 seater )
Embraer ERJ 145 78.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_ERJ_135 ( 53 seater )
Embraer Legacy 600 78.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_Legacy_600 ( 17 seater )
Kfir 79.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir
J-35 78.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_35_Draken
TA-50 Golden Eagle 78.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle
Jas J-39 Gripen 80 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen
F-8 Crusader 80.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader
A-10 80.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II
Bombardier CRJ200 82 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_CRJ200 ( 54 seater )
A-6 Intruder 82.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder
F-CK-1 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo
Hongdu L-15 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15
JF-17 84.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
HAL Tejas 85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas
Dassault F7X 85.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_7X
Fokker F28 88 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_F28 ( 89 seater )
B-66 Destroyer 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_B-66_Destroyer
SU-9 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-9
IAI Lavi 91.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi
Su-7 94.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-7
Mirage 2000 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000
Martin RB-57D Canberra 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_RB-57D_Canberra
SU-11 96 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-11
Backburn Buccaneer 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer
Avro Vulcan 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Vulcan
………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ..50 to 100 kN planes
Nord 1500 Griffin 102.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_1500_Griffon ( mach 2.19 )
A8-Harrier II 105 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV-8B_Harrier_II
SR177 106 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.177 ( mach 2.35 )
DC-9 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-9
F-105 Thunderchief 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-…underchief
F-106 Delta_Dart 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-106_Delta_Dart
SU-17 109.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-17
A-3 Skywarrior 110.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A3D_Skywarrior
MIG-27 112.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-27
J-37 Viggen 121 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen
Canadair Regional Jet CR700 122.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRJ1000#CRJ1000_NextGen ( 80 seater )
White Knight Two 122.76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp…Knight_Two
Fokker 70 123.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_70 ( 87 seater )
Fokker 100 123.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_100 ( 124 seater )
BAE 146 ( AVRO RJ ) 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_146
Boeing 737 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737 ( 139 seater )
YAK-28 Brever 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-28
Super Caravelle 124.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravelle
Embraer 175 124.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_195#E-190.2F195 ( 90 seater )
Mitsubishi F-2 125 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2
MIG-23 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23
F-16 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…ing_Falcon
J-10 130 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10
Bombardier Global Express 5000 131 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Global_5000
An-148 134 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-148 ( 82 seater )
J-8 137.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-8
SU-15 140 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-15
Mirage IV 141 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_IV
English Electric Lightning 142,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning
………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. …100 to 150 kN planes
Dassault Rafale 151.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale
Gulfstream_650 150.4 kN; http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g650/…ations.htm
F-101 Voodoo 150.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F-101_Voodoo
A-5 Vigilante 152 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…_Vigilante
Panavia Tornado 153.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado
Sukhoi_Superjet_100 156 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100
F117 Night Hawk 157.4 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117A_Nighthawk
F-18 158 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…-18_Hornet
F-4 Phantom II 158.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…Phantom_II
F111 159.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…1_Aardvark
Mig-29 162.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29
MD-82 164 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-80
Eurofighter Typhoon 178 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
TU-154 180 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154 ( 184 seater )
Xian JH-7 182.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_JH-7
Tupolev Tu-16 186.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-16
Xian H-6 186.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6
Mirage 4000 190 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000
JSF F-35 191 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma…ghtning_II
YAK-42 191.25 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-42 ( 124 seater )
Boeing B-47 Strato Jet 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-47_Stratojet
Airbus 318-100 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family
F/F-18 Super Hornet 195.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-…per_Hornet
LA-250 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-250
Myasishchev M-55 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-55
TU-128 198 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-28
………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ….150 to 200 kN planes
Mig-25 200 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-2
Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow 209 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
Tu-28 Fiddler 215.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-28
SU-24 219.6; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24
F-15 220 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…F-15_Eagle
F-111 224 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…1_Aardvark
YAK-141 235,4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-141
SU-30 245.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
SU-27 245,6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhoi_Su-27
F-14 247.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat
SU-33 251 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-33
J-11 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11#J-11
SU-34 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
Shenyang J-15 270 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15
TSR-2 273.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_TSR-2
B-58 Hustler 277.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-58_Hustler
SU-47 284.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-47
A-12 288 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12
SU-37 290 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37
DC-8 298.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8
………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ….200 to 300 kN planes
SR-71 302 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird
Convair YB-60 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_YB-60
Mig-31 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
B-2 308 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Gr…B-2_Spirit
YF-23 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23
F-22 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma…-22_Raptor
TU-204 314 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-204 ( 214 seater )
PAKFA 314 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
TU22 324 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22
Concorde 338 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
MIG-39 ( Project 1.44 ) 354 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44
J-20 Chengdu 360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20
Myasishchev M-4 372.8 kN; http://www.airvectors.net/avbison.html
TU-26 Backfire 403.8 kN; http://www.kheichhorn.de/html/body_tupolew_tu-26_backfire.html
Y20 412 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_Y-20
Myasishchev VM-T 421.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_VM-T
TU-22M 490.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M
DC-10 534 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10
B-1 547.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer
B-52 608 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
Sukhoi T-4 628 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4
Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 640 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
C-5 Galaxy 760 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy
XB-70 Valkyrie 768 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…0_Valkyrie
Boeing_747 836 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747
Airbus A350-1000 862 kN; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A350_XWB ( 550 seater )
TU-160 980 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160
Airbus A380 1360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380
An 225 1377 kN; [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya
topspeedHere is the latest version..CG problem solved….and toilet/lavatory that the Mustang doesn’t have.
1200-2000 nm range at 500 ktas speed should do it.
topspeedDarn..I think I combined my calculation of nation that used Mig 15 and Mig 17…are those calculations above already included nations that used second hand fighters ?
Draken is then the most widely used cranked delta wing fighter ( 5 nations ) and Gripen most widely used canard fighter ( 6 nations ) ?!
topspeedOk..
Then what makes these aeroplanes so popular.
They seem to be pretty lite
Mirage III 7000 kg empty ( 13700 kg max ).
J-7 5300 kg ( same as the Mig-21…max 9100 kg ) and F-5 4350 kg ( empty ).
F-16 then 8570 kg empty ( 19 200 max ).
topspeedDefinitely Mig-21.
For 4th generation it’s F-16 by miles.
Ok…I wonder if the J-7 is different aircraft altogether…look at the wings here;
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F-16 is used by 25 nations; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon
topspeedForgot to mention..
I am in Serbia now on vacation, and because of late departure, pilot of Polish LOT Boeing 767 said he would hurry up a bit. Here is how fast he went for a good 2 hours. I was getting nervous that it would reach the speed of sound. It went as fast as 1116km/h …WTF???
Some food for thought on speed requirements for air policing fighter plane who needs to catch up with commercial passenger jet that enters the airspace at these speeds.
Tail wind can be 150 mph..KTAS was possibly near 550.
topspeedMirage at least 21 countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_III
When Mirage 2000 added 24 altogether ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000
I wonder if the chinese copies of Mig-21 are counted in on that Mig-21 figure.
At least Albania, Pakistan, Myanmar and Sri Lanka aren’t there; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
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