IF with fighter designation you intend something akin to my own language Caccia or french Chasse: well nor F-111 , nor f-117 and either F-35 are really such a thing, in a certain way the F/A-18 would be a much more fitting designation for a plane that could operate with both roles but with aa definite twist about the A2G.
I thing one thing that determine to fighter designation is the ability to go supersonic: we use our AV-8+ primarly as a Caccia but the denomination staYed the same nevertheless.
Probably it is because of that Usaf want so badly to get rid of A-10: it is a subsonic, low altitude plane that operate in benefit and in a dependant role to the Army and the USMC, while them want to go high, supersonic and in total indipendance, so to fight IS all for itself with the results everyone can see.
Actually in my language the fighter is hävittäjä….which literally means annihilator….or something that makes things disappear…more or less.
Anyhow…was it ( F-117 ) capable to do a loop ?
No fighter capabilities whatsoever*.
I don’t believe the official MDS request has ever been revealed, so we just don’t know why the USAF requested an F-designator.
* it is often said that the F-111 also received a F-designator despite lacking fighter capabilities but in fact the bomb-bay M61 pack was often armed for self-defence during Combat Lancer. The F-117 doesn’t even have that option.
That is what I figured.
Is it because it was 1st generation stealth…never to be seen on radar.
I wonder if they are going to push the envelope with it ?
It was supposed to be the hottest thing ever as it was designed.
Top speed was estimated at 550 mph in 1937.
interesting footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q60yBQG8XI
Whatta heck…Damascus has become a pile rubble ?
This is a catastrophy.
Not always as seen here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6nwzJL-scE
Ok…no more simulator talk then.
I will…thanks for the advice.
Daddy flew these; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEKkVg9NqGM
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Can you adjust it to make it easy,hard,novice,can you adjust your joystick set up via sliders,do you get killed if you crash it —–no ,it’s a computer game.
You have to fly it with 100% realism set on to make it a simulator sure.
That was a very good notion. :eagerness:
You never get killed in a simulator….that is why they are there.
Yes, well… I fly for a living, and have not flown as many hours since May. Next thing that is going to happen is that topspeed will start showing “drawings” of his “record aircraft” tha he has “designed”. In Finland this has always finally lead to banning him from the forum. I suppose this thread actually started as discussion of possible overclaims by aces, or something…
Those days of me showing my designs are over. After EADS copied my twin AC idea for their electric test plane I haven’t shown any of my designs to anyone but investors against NDA agreement…some composite developements on my blog.
I sold my last design ( developed from Hippiäinen ) to France in 2014…it is now displayed in the Homebuilt Airplanes site at the “flying motorcycle” / ” motorcycle of the air ” thread.
I have a superb car design too. No funding thou. Moose hit resistent with 1000 km range…with electrics.
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Back to topic;
Chuck Yaeger shot down 5 planes too; http://www.chuckyeager.com/five-victory-me-109-report
Like did Viktor Pyötsiä in Winter War. No make it Jorma Sarvanto with 6 kills; http://www.acestory.elknet.pl/sarvan/sarvan.htm
Hans Wind biggest score on one flight was 2 x Il-2 + 2 X LA-5 on June 23. 1944.
It’s a computer game
No it is a flight simulator. IL-2 is a computer game.
Go and ask a warbird owner if you can have a go in his plane with these qualifications 🙂 Now had YOU had 100 hours jet time and 50 hours in a sail plane it would be a start.
But this is digressing from the topic which i believe was to do with flying aces and how accurate the claims / kills were.
I have logged 300 flying hours in MS FSX since May 2015. I am a modelling kinda aviator…making my own record aircraft and flying like the Wright brothers did..towards the unknown with rock solid innovation. I just made 12 hrs day making a model of my innovative high altitude “homebuilt”.
Favourite story that my daddy tells every now and then is about about a young boy in the airfield during the war who has just gotten his army gear on and taken few lessons with a biplane ( possibly few with a low wing monoplane too ) and a fighter jockey steers his Curtiss Hawk to the hanger and tells this dude that this plane has to be flown to the other airfield ASAP ( a ferry flite ). Young recruit salutes the guy and flies the craft to the destination with no questions asked. This is a true story.
Fact is that your relatives, your live meeting with some aces or infantrymen, even if they are real, do not qualify you as an expert on aviation history. Neither do my about 20000 flying hours, but then again I don’t pretend to be one. I am just very interested in the subject, and have studied it a little bit over the years. I do not have an agenda, don’t want to belittle achievements of the heroic airmen of Finnish or other air forces during the war(s). I am just saying that there probably is as much exaggeration in the victory claims in Finland as there is elsewhere, and there were things that people saw, and “saw”. Also there are stories that have gotten better over the years, and some that have never been true at all.
The biggest “dick” I have ever met in real life on a golf course ( Ringside Golf Espoo ) was 24 000 flying hour air line pilot…drunk as a cuckoo and no manners. But this does not always apply. I have a very good friend with 17 000 flying hrs whose daddy was a fighter jockey. I kinda respect him a lot. He also respects others.
Point here is that Karhila only in his memoirs told about this incident…and he did not overclaim. He was also not credited for it.
FSX may not be able to simulate all aerodynamic phenomenon or F-135 thrust at different speed, altitude, but i think they should be able to get the outer 3D model relatively accurate
Could be , but if there is one AC that follows the specs it is the FSX downloadable F-35. It is that good.
EERRRRR No i don’t think so.
Are you saying ½ hour annual flying time in a real aeroplane is not enough ?
I don’t see much difference in flying a simulation, model or real aeroplane…am I in minority ?
My daddy has 100 hrs jet time and 50 hrs in sailplanes…and he had sail plane pilot papers.
This is the aviation event of the 2015 !
SUPERB action !