@quadbike
But if access to the ToT means they can make equal or better competitor aircraft, then if they buy Typhoon they will be able to make an even better competitor aircraft than if they buy Rafale. So really, that doesn’t work as a reason IMO. That said, ToT doesn’t give them the capability to make a competitor aircraft, it’s just some transfer of technology.
The RAF has “some” Typhoons with “limited” equipments required for “limited” AtG…
The MoD did qualify “some” pilots to use it, and then for some reason, they switched them back to AtA (tells you how confident they were in the type, but that’s just my PHO).
I don’t think it really tells us anything about their confidence in it for A2G. The number of Tornados available was far greater than the number of Typhoon, especially when we consider the number other taskings assigned to the Typhoon such as QRA.
Maybe towed decoy etc aren’t such an advantage after all…
Nothing to do with the towed decoys ect. RAF Typhoons had the equipment required for A2G, but the MoD didn’t have the money to train the pilots to use it.
France is THE second strategic partner with a base in the country, so for Dassault, it seems they think that nobody can replace us.
Germany will not found a base there and UK cannot (for what I understand, but a british friend told me that I read too much british newspapers 😀 ).
But Saudi has an even greater need for this! Can you remind us which countries they chose? It seems to have slipped my mind 😀
@Trident
So which weekly issue is it? And more importantly, which page?
@mrmalaya
I do agree!
@Trident
It is impossible to provide the evidence you request, as that would require me to prove a negative, which can’t be done! However, here is the evidence on which I made my statement. Also, I have tried to find out more about BAE Replica from the MoD, but haven’t had much success!
“The existence of a secret programme to produce Britain’s own stealth plane has been revealed with the declassification of a single photograph and a short statement.
The craft pictured is full-scale model and was completed in 1999, after five years of work. The £20 million programme, codenamed Replica, was jointly funded by BAE Systems and the UK Ministry of Defence.”
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3590-secret-uk-stealth-plane-project-revealed.html
@i.e
Unfortunately the algorithms are classified, so I can’t check the differences and tell you how they work. Perhaps if you ask BAE/Qinetiq nicely they will let you have a look 😀
@arquebus
The software to control an actuator can be quite complex depending on how far you take it. Even the core element of “changing angle” could involve advanced algorithms. There would almost certainly be some monitoring functions too.
So for all the management exercises and training they do, they still don’t seem to grasp the importance of staff happiness to a job well done. Let them chat, its an effective team building exercise which you don’t have to pay some pointless external company for.
So for all the management exercises and training they do, they still don’t seem to grasp the importance of staff happiness to a job well done. Let them chat, its an effective team building exercise which you don’t have to pay some pointless external company for.
@j_jza80
Yes, if you look at our government and civil service, they ARE the mistake! In fact, we will probably pay 35 million in shipping them to America on top. I would not be surprised at all. However I suspect that they are talking about the spares ($50 ~ £34).
@Prom
It’s not so much over blown claims, but outright lies and misrepresentations, such as the air air claims from Rafale pilots a couple years back.
Because it’s well known that everyone took JOUST for what it is, just nice slides for the lulz ??
JOUST was a simulator based on the data available to Qinetiq. Dassault could have performed their own evaluations if they wished, and perhaps they did, but just didn’t want to reveal the result for some reason 🙂 It’s their opinion, essentially, nothing more.
TMOR, why were Dassault not “trolls” when they did a similar campaign vs Typhoon? Bit of a double standard that!
EDIT:
I do think they missed a trick with the photo competition, and the India competition! It really is a foregone conclusion that one of the winners would be Indian for obvious reasons, though the question in my mind is surely it would have been better to give the Indian first or second prize, rather than third.
Don’t like this way of trying to knock the opposition. Negative campaigning is best avoided, especially if what you say may not be true. If they are going to put things like this out, they need to list the reasons why single seaters lack the capability to successfully complete missions.
IMO this is a stupid , misguided piece of defective marketing propaganda.
Actually it’s fair game now IMO. Dassault started it with all those misrepresented “air victories”, so they should expect similar to come back at them.
@Prom
i.e seems to be confusing reliability (though redundancy) with complexity. Of course an airliner needs to have more redundancy than a fighter jet, the former has hundred of people onboard, the latter has two guys with parachutes and ejector seats.
@i.e
OK here’s a specific technology required for UAVs, sense and avoid algorithms. Another? Target location and identification algorithms. Both of these are leading areas of BAE btw 😉 Airframe wise its currently designing airframes optimised for long range subsonic cruise with a low RCS. I look forward to seeing what engine developments come about though.
@Prom
Whilst I agree with the points you mention, i.e tried to play a sleight of hand there, and substituted what I said “UCAV” for something different, “UAV”, which as I’m sure you are aware are quite different in terms of the likely level of complexity, especially in the combat systems and airframe design.
as I point out, SAAB people have ambition, something BAE doesn’t have. it is a necessary condition.
it’s remarkable, when you get down to it, how much money it really requires to put a state of art. fighter together. DoD and EuroConsortiums runs these multi-trillion behemouth of a program… doesn’t mean that’s the only way.:dev2:
As I point out, BAE has proven it’s ambition through real projects, SAAB has not proven anywhere near as much ambition.
@i.e
Your statement is really rather ridiculous as it is BAE that is the only European country with its own 6th generation project (UCAV). SAAB is just a small partner in the French dominated Neuron project. Typhoon also quite happily beats Gripen (which uses many British part I might add). Any suggestion that SAAB is pushing ahead of BAE is not in keeping with the evidence before us.
I think Brazil just wants to look like they are buying something.