I think most long time here don’t need to “sell” their credentials. They let their records speak for themselves. For example, you “gained qualifications” while some here “teach” qualifications.

Point understood and it was with some reluctance that I mentioned all that but then I was responding to a very specific slur

from hpsauce:

‘Phixer’s citing of multiple references to give his argument a veneer of credibility merely reminds one of similar tactics adopted by Scientology or staring-eyed fans of Area 51…’

which has since been pulled by the mod’s (as was the head of my post which originaly included that as a quote) neither of which you may have seen.

That is one of the dangers of pulling and changing posts – others miss essential pointers and it changes the tone of a persons post.

BTW I have also done that latter alluded to in your reply but did not consider it required mentioning.

A very sensible presentation of the facts surrounding the disintegration of WTCs 1, 2 and 7, collapse being totally inappropriate terminology, can be found at:

http://blip.tv/file/306082/

It is by Richard Gage an experienced tall building architect who by definition knows a thing or two about materials and structure.

Gage has set up a site at:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

I would also like to draw your attention to the aviation components of the 9/11 events which are being discussed at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Now a brief personal note.

My background in naval aviation where I completed a five year apprenticeship which included such tasks as fitting, sheet metal work, turning, brazing, welding (of various materials using a variety of welding techniques), as well as aircraft structures, including GRP of various types, aircraft finishes and systems – including engines, amongst other topics to do with workshop technologies and materials treatments.

I also gained qualifications in applied mechanics (structures and how they respond to loads), mathematics and aeronautical engineering science. This at the start of my time as an aircraft artificer in the British Fleet Air Arm over the course of which I used much of my learned knowledge and expertise and also worked with other materials, e.g. titanium, as they were met in the field.

Please note also that over my years of service I had first hand experience of aircraft fuel fires and the resultant airframe damage WRT components. The fires were usually in open air and not confined within a building restricting the available oxygen and the steel components did not show signs of softening.

Some of my tasks over time required the heating of steel in a forge to soften so as to reform – hence my considering the comments of the likes of Corely, Eagar and Musso who state that at about 1100F (or 1202F depending who it is) steel loses about (weasel word) strength as arrant nonsense and a bare faced lie given their respective lines of expertise. Such lies are enough to make them accessories after the fact, if not before, of this hideous crime.

Now your qualifications to judge are ….?

To remind you of the remarks of Corley etc. I refer you to:

9/11 Mysteries (Full Length, High Quality)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

Note that the authors of the official report on the Murrah Federal Building – Gene Corley, Charles Thornton, Paul Mlaker, and Mete Sozen – were all among the initial team of the ASCE WTC investigation. Several of these individuals have strong connections to industries that benefited from the attack, such as armaments makers and oil and gas producers.

That Oklahoma event was another dubiously explained collapse officially, see:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html

Now do you see a pattern emerging?

However back to 9/11 Mysteries.

Many have cast aspersions at us because they consider it impossible for the amount of demolition material required to achieve the disintegration to be planted without the knowledge of the occupiers of the towers. Well please not in the Mysteries video the remarks of Scott Forbes, Senior Database Administrator, Fiduciary Trust on the 97th floor WRT noises above on 98 and of dust and debris around on the mornings of the week prior.

Note also the remarks of William Rodrigeuz about the noises at 34th WTC1 and that to get the lift to stop there one needed a special access key.

Now square that with the known poor occupancy of the buildings, with the ability to shuffle people between floors and sections.

And the fact that the company providing electronic security for WTC (which had malfunctions in the days prior according to Forbes), and Dulles airport, was Sucuracom/Stratesec, directed by Marvin P Bush from 1993 to at least 2000, although according Barbara Bush’s own autibiography Marvin relinquished his hold on September 11 2001.

Further a cousin of the Bush brothers (George W, Jeb and Marvin) was Wirt D Walker III who just happened to be CEO of Sucuracom/Stratesec from 1999 to 2002.

My understanding is that Marvin also had involvement with a company sub-contracted to dispose of the wreckage of the WTC. Was it not convenient that much of the steel structure of the WTC was chopped into convenient lengths for disposal. This can be clearly seen in some of the video from ground zero.

I would also like to draw your attention to:

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/Roberts_AnnotatedJones-RobertsonTranscript.pdf

and WRT Popular Mechanics

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.html

and

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html

Now the following:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3249714675910247150

has interesting live commentary from Stephen Evans (at 01:36) reporting on a ‘big, big explosion from much, much lower’ an hour after the second jet struck WTC2.

It is clear from Evan’s commentary, as well as many other now known live commentaries, that big explosions did take place under the towers before their disintegration.

On this video we also see the familiar spoiling tactics used by hosts of mainstream media interviews with 9/11 researchers.

Note how Michael Smircornish of MSNBC tries to talk over Mike Burger as he tries to point out that WTC7 did not topple towards the side that was supposed to have taken ‘major hits’ earlier. Smircornish having tried to emphasis this damage earlier in the interview. Smircornish then tries the old ‘we’re short of time now’ tactic to avoid the airing of pertinent statements by the interviewee. This was also used by MSNBC’s Tucker Carlson against Steven Jones.

Don’t you understand what US mainstream media is about. Such tactics should scream foul.

Here is another compilation that reveals other aspects:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3249714675910247150

Enough of video’s for the time being, let us consider the thorny question of how could so much be achieved with so little public awareness. Well have a look at:

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/scenario404.html

which presents a fine rationale explaining this. In particular note this passage:

‘This scenario shows that, through their positions of access in the military command structure, a very small group of people would have been able to appropriate these technologies to carry out the attack. While the attack is engineered by a core of only a dozen people, vast numbers of people facilitate the attack and cover-up, for the most part unknowingly, by simply doing what they normally do in their positions: promote and protect their agencies and the status quo. The public at large participates in the cover-up by failing to question the attack and instead believing the relatively comforting myth of bin Laden.’

When media figures such as Penn & Teller joke thus, ‘ If you see anybody with a copy of this book, push them down a flight of stairs’ WRT “Painful Questions” by Eric Hufschmid then things take on a further sinister take. What jerks!

However that Penn & Teller episode is just one example of the intimidation that any whistle blowers having knowledge of events prior to 9/11 can expect if they don’t watch their six.

See

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/roberts/index.html

for more on this.

One more thing, consider the criminal actions of Christine Todd Whitman, head of EPA, for allowing herself to be persuaded by the White House to declare the environment in downtown Manhattan safe for workers to return just three days after 9/11, with all manner of toxic materials blowing around (they probably still are present in dangerous quantities – especially asbestos). That is another crime against humanity, one that compounds the original felony and only serves to illustrate the priorities of those really in charge of the US administration.

To those in the US your own countrymen are continuing to pay the price, but I guess you consider yourself a patriots.

Wise up. You have been deceived, and the deception continues.

If you have not yet read Mike Ruppert’s ‘Crossing the Rubicon…’ then some of the facts and argument in that book can be gleaned from:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145

And going back a little further in time the following provides a history lesson on how bankers took control of US government (and other governments around the world). Although the story presented begins in 1913 the origins of the plot go back to the last decade of the 19th century.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

The very fact that the Official 9/11 Commission report does not square with know and/or observed events, and further avoids mention of the disintegration of WTC7 as well as the activities of mainstream US media, not to mention the less than investigative reporting in Britain, should raise suspicions of Cover Up.

For those who have not had a look at Michael C Ruppert’s ‘Crossing the Rubicon…’ then have a look at this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145

You realy have to grasp what was driving things on the lead up to the events of that day, and all of the days since.

It is shocking, worrying and unavoidable. It is important to all your freedoms and financial and community well-being.

Learn about the connection between the CIA, the drug
trade, Wall Street and the US economy.

Don’t believe me, then watch.

Phixer,
Has it ever crossed your mind that those individuals and groups who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy and who produce literature are just milking it for money making or media attention?

Of course I have, but on the other hand the holes in the Official 9/11 Commission Report could only lead an intelligent person to conclude that they were hiding something. After all it is often the case that it is not what somebody says that is important but what they don’t say, or mention as in this case.

Reading Richard Feynam’s account of his involvement in the Challenger Disaster investigation commission is informative on this point. See in, ‘What Do You Care What Other People Think?’ by Richard P Feynman.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html

I am very glad you brought up that link. For I have used this:

http://911research.wtc7.net/faq/pentagon.html

amongst others, as a reference which has covered the similar ground to the page that you pointed to.

By following this trail:

http://911review.com/attack/pentagon/witnesses.html

some of which backs up the 757 account, however this:

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/index.html

and by following the explosive detonation link near the bottom and viewing this:

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/explosive.html

where we find something else not mentioned by the Commission in its self proclaimed ‘fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11’, that is the smell of explosives. Was the USN storing explosives in its wing of the Pentagon?

By writing what I did about the Pentagon attack I was playing ‘devil’s advocate’, or flying a kite as some would say. I am bothered by some of the conspiracy theories on this one but I am not convinced by the official story that a high jacker was in control of Flight 77. He just simply could not have flown with the precision required.

A few frames of video have been released but not one shows a 757 about to hit. I am not saying that this is evidence that it was not a 757 but if it was then surely the release of more video would quell further speculation. They supposedly have frames to release so why not more?

As for eye-witnesses, then when it comes to bogus eye witnesses these could fit in with the similar and known conspiracy of substituting military personnel, necessarily under more strict rules of secrecy than the average civilian, for civilian passengers in Operation Northwoods. Follow the Northwoods trail and you will see that it is impossible for somebody in the position that Condi Rice was in to not be aware of the possibility of passenger aircraft being used to carry out false flag attacks as she averred.

I am at present keeping an open mind on the Pentagon job (still trying to figure out how a 757 entered the Pentagon leaving such a small hole and little large wreckage pieces outside) this in spite of the rationale given on 911research. I think it not impossible that what people saw was a 757 fly over the Pentagon at very low level with the near simultaneous detonation of a missile or pre-planted explosive charges. After all there are plenty of dead airliners in boneyards to obtain parts which could be used to seed the site prior to the detonation. With the budget available to ‘black ops’ (Could this be where some of the missing billions went?) it would be a trivial matter to purchase a suitable aircraft from one of the airlines involved. The close ties of key administration figures and their relatives with the airlines should be kept in mind as facilitators.

WRT WTC then it is clear that the official accounts do not add up. WTC7 is especially problematic for the official commission report for there is no mention at all of this in it’s ‘fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11’

Phixer,
Lt. Col. Steve O’Brien was the commander of the C-130 that was tasked with an attempt to get a visual on the Flight 77 757. No doubt you believe that he is all part of the big ‘cover-up’ to?

I consider it possible that Lt. Col. O’Brien did not see what he thought he saw, or rather he saw what he had been conditioned to see.

Besides that commentary does not mention O’Brien stating he actually saw an airliner crash into the Pentagon.

Whatever, for those who have not questioned the official version of events before then have a look here:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

and

from the left hand pane on the page from above:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050204132153814

This just to get you started you understand, saves you buying books at least for the time being.

Phixer,
Very flawed info you put forward in your post. 2004/05/31_catlinb_airguardmuseum/[/url]

Have you checked through my sources? You will find the answers to your questions there and that my info is not flawed.

The footage of ‘terrorists’ you mention has serious authentication flaws.

If you followed my link to Richard Gage’s presentation that would have provided you with a site with plenty of links to more material. Try some of it.

Try also the books by David Ray Griffin:

‘The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11’

‘The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions’

‘Debunking 9/11 Debunking
An Answer to Popular Mechanics and the Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory’

I have yet to read that last, have it on order, but have a good idea of what it could say, after all I have looked at FEMA, NIST and 9/11 Commison Reports having copies of the last two here.

I leave things at that for now.

The fact that you keep repeating this rubbish despite its offensive nature is disgusting. No matter how hard you try to provoke I will not validate you remarks by arguing against them as they are clearly ridiculous.:mad:

If you say so!:D

Unfortunately he states his opinion as fact.:mad:

And your opinion is not stated as fact?

So according to you we should just handle racism? After all its someones opinion if they dislike someone becouse of the colour of their skin?:mad:

I am at a loss. Where has racism come in to ANY of my postings?