Indian1973I would take all claims of ATBM capability for S300 and S400 with
a fistful of salt. The best indicator of whether its just a brochure claim or something that works in the field is India. After looking at both these and the Arrow , India was trying for the Arrow, but now that US has denied clearance for Arrow, apparently PAC-3 is on the table. not a word of any S300/400 ATBM.
It maybe the rockets themselves are comparable or the RU could
be better but the US/Israel is plenty ahead in the radar, control systems and seeker tech to make atbm seriously work.
btw can the PAC-3 system also take the long range PAC2 missiles
for when you just want area coverage against aircraft ?
keeping a few tubes of PAC3 for the odd IRBM…
India unlike Greece lives under a daily threat from homicidal maniacs armed with nooks(or so they say), our choice wont be a
parade showpiece, it just has to work – the health and safety of our backsides depend on it!
Indian1973seahawk you have PM. got it this time.
Indian1973seahawk I dont see any PM. sure you sent it to right person?
Indian1973seahawk care to publish a list of the “faithful al-lies” infront of
which usaf is a bit careful ? curious minds want to know.
I take it israel is in there?
Indian1973http://www.ainonline.com/Publications/asian/asian_04/d3_turbomecap18.html
Turbomeca plows new turf in India
by Charles Alcock
Since the last Asian Aerospace show in February 2002, French helicopter engine maker Turbomeca (Stand No. A611) has been boosting its presence and activity in the Asia/Pacific region. The company now has new partnership programs under way in India, Japan, China and South Korea and the scope of these could grow further over the coming years, according to Turbomeca president and CEO Emeric d’Arcimoles.
The Indian government has now confirmed an order for 318 of the 1,000-shp TM333-2B2 turboshaft for Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.’s new Dhruv twin-engine helicopter and an undisclosed number of the -2M2 version to re- engine the Cheetah (the Indian version of the Aerospatiale Lama). In return, Turbomeca has agreed to increase the offsets associated with this deal by transferring more work to Bangalore-based HAL, which will now produce the engine’s turbocharger and other accessories, including the fuel systems. The Indian company will also be securing repair licenses for the engines.
At the same time, HAL and Turbomeca are stepping up their efforts to jointly develop the Shakti as an Indian version of the new 1,200-shp Ardiden engine. This 1H version of the Ardiden will eventually be the standard powerplant on the Dhruv and will be retrofitted onto the earlier production examples that will enter service with the TM333-2B2. It is still set to complete its first testbed run in mid-2005.
HAL now has an 11-percent stake in the overall Ardiden program, and the engine is also a candidate powerplant for Eurocopter’s EC155, the Bell Agusta AB139 and the Kamov Ka-62. Indian engineers are now based at Turbomeca’s headquarters at Bordes in the southwest of France to assist with the development.
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well thats 150 Dhruvs in the bag to start with. good.
Indian1973here I fished this out of google newsgroups.sounds like 40:1
in one case and 11:1 overall.
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TEL AVIV (September 24) – A recent joint exercise between the IAF
and US Navy Sixth Fleet pilots apparently resulted in a thorough
routing of the US pilots, according to the latest edition of
Air Force Monthly.
The American-based magazine said the exercise in question took place
in the Negev skies and involved engagements between IAF F-16s and US
Navy F-14s and F/A-18s.
Quoting Israeli military sources, the magazine said one of the
exercises ended with the score of 40:1 in favor of the IAF.
The magazine said Israel “downed” 220 aircraft for the loss of just
20 of its own.
It said that the results have not been officially published “to save
the reputations of the US Navy pilots.”
The magazine did not say when the exercise took place. But security
sources said that the dogfights took place about three months ago.
They said the exercise was the first time that Israeli pilots actually
took part in the maneuvers and didn’t just give logistical support.
Israeli pilots have also flown with various flight academies as guests
or students.
The IAF said it does not give detailed results of training exercises.
But air force commanders were said to be incensed by the report.
While refusing to confirm or deny the report, military sources said
neither Israel or the US had officially released the “scores.”
“We showed an arrogance we didn’t mean to display,” one senior IAF
officer said.
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that last line was a good one – true fighter jock confidence!
Indian1973sextant avionique MFDs and sagem navigational instruments iirc.
thats about it.
IAF was reportedly looking for a new missile to equip the Jags/Mig27 as they come out of upgrade and also for the Sea harriers. various parties like rafael, russia, france have been invited to submit proposals. Mica-IR is a good missile and a strong contender. my $$ is on the Python5.
Indian1973it was doing the rounds of .mil newsgroups at that time. no official
numbers were put out.
Indian1973Kerala is a state, Cochin is its 2nd biggest city and Keralanext is
its biggest news outlet.
they have footsoldiers on the ground there. not cut-pasting from
others. its their home territory.
Indian1973iirc the israeli claim vs USN was 40:0 !!
Indian1973we shall know about relative quality of the SD-10 depending on
whether PAF goes from mica/darter/sd-10. the three missiles
overlap and no point buying two.
Indian1973heres the pilot beacon purchase I mentioned in other thread.
I was wrong about the date…first came across the news late
in 2002 I think.
http://www.air-rescuetek.com/_disc5/00000048.htm
India selects Sarbe global search and rescue system
Date: 13 Jun 2003
Time: 17:03
Comments
The government of the Republic of India has selected Signature Industries of London to provide a GPS Combat Recovery System for all fast jet pilots. Pilot safety has been an increasing concern to the Indian Air Force.
Signature was chosen following rigorous technical assessments by the Indian Air Force of systems from the world’s leading suppliers of search and rescue equipment. Signature’s Sarbe products are supplied to military forces throughout the world for the fast location of isolated personnel.
The unit is mission configurable through extensive programming options. In “peacetime” mode it has the ability to use the network of geo-stationary satellites which monitor the emergency channel 406MHz. This provides very fast notification of beacon activation to rescue agencies worldwide.
The Sarbe range of Personal Locator Beacons (PLB) is in tri-force use on every continent. Forces in over 40 countries rely on Sarbe for their peacetime and combat PLB needs.
The Sarbe 7 PLB is in service with the Royal Air Force and the SARBE 10 submarine Beacon is carried on all Royal Navy submarines.
A two year strategic development programme has resulted in the introduction of the Sarbe G2R(R), one of the most sophisticated combat recovery radios available.
The G2R – Global Reach & Recovery(R) will be launched at the Paris Air Show 2003 during the week of 15 June 2003.
and the range of products. sounds like sarbe G2R was
selected going by the 406mhz detail.
Indian1973BDL to make Rafael missile parts
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/businessline/blnus/02251108.htm
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meantime india moves further into the US camp….
USN to setup mobile ship-repair unit in Cochin
http://www.keralanext.com/news/?id=27644
Kerala News: US Navy plans mobile ship repair unit in Kochi
26-February-2004
Kochi,Kerala : The United States Navy has plans to base a mobile ship repair unit in Kochi with the technical support of Cochin Shipyard Limited.
The team will be airlifted from here to carry out voyage repairs or to undertake minor maintenance work on board US warships deployed in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf region.
A top team of US Navy officials recently visited the shipyard to inspect the facilities in Kochi. The shipyard has already entered into an understanding with the French and British navies to repair their ships in Kochi. A similar understanding is now on the cards with the US.
But voyage repair is a different concept preferred by the US to carry out minor works without having to dry dock the vessel. ”This would help the ship to continue with its mission. The team of experts will land on board wherever the ship is anchored. This helps save time,” sources said.
The shipyard has clinched the idea and handed over a draft memorandum of understanding to the US Navy. A reply to the draft is expected soon.
Sources said the composition of the team of experts will be decided only after the MoU is finalised.
”They haven’t placed their list of suggestions. We don’t know whether the US would want its experts to be based in Kochi. Most probably, engineers on board will work together with shipyard crew to rectify minor problems,” sources said.
The US prefers shipyard for several reasons including the trust they have in Indian establishment and the proximity of the facility to the Navy’s area of operation. A French Naval vessel, with 200 personnel on board, is undergoing repairs at the shipyard adding to the confidence of US Navy.
Indian1973I recall some aviation mag wherein RAF Tornado F3s mauled a
formation of F15s in Alaska when both were supported by their
own E3s. the difference was traced back to better trained RAF
E3 crew who had worked at the job longer and were well integrated with the F3 pilots.
cope india type exercises are the 2nd level. Red Flag is the highest.
until IAF lays in enough tankers, phalcons and completes the
fleet upgrade of Jag/Mig27/Bison and assembly lines start rolling out MKIs and LCAs, it cannot be considered a tier-1 force.
I guess that point will be crossed around 2010. but its quite
exciting to see the transformation happen month after month.
Indian1973how does NH90 and Merlin compare in flyaway cost for ASW versions ?
I agree if you needed to hunt 50 Akula-IIs in openwater, time to
pack the biggest elephant gun – Merlin.
but if the role is say defeating 20 AIP SSKs in shallow and medium
waters of the littoral , wouldnt a smaller/cheaper bird like NH90
and SH60R be more than enough?
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