Indian1973> hammocks in the hanger
I dont know. but do you think the russian builders are so bad ?
it will be what ships of comparable size have. underway refueling
is a routine procedure isnt it.
Indian1973against a exocet/harpoon type threat dont forget the 32×2 = 64 missiles in the kashtan systems (8 km range, 3.5km ceiling) and the 4 rotary cannons. these should be very capable of dealing with subsonic ASMs.
the viraat and the gorshkov itself can carry multiple KA31, but having it on Talwars permits other SAGs also to have some organic coverage.
I have already said the idea of a “picket line” against a 1500km long pakistan coastline is bizarre and unrealistic. we are looking at hit n run PN baiting raids and convoy escort and some ASW ops here not a picket line waiting for the kamikazes.
also there’s nothing to picket wrt china. india doesnt even
need 30% of the current IN to decimate the PN so u need to consider other things & roles.
Indian1973ok ok pirate, perhaps I hadnt had my morning coffee and was feeling too combative 🙂 GJ has given the answer.
Indian1973hehe pirate you can find out about the acmi pod yourself. I see no reason to be nice to you after a hostile response to a simple q.
Indian1973well looking at the principles it appears very tame indeed. I could one of them and not even know it. lots of people practice white magick and such for healing purposes…shops have lotsa books on that.
Indian1973NEW DELHI, OCTOBER 27: The Government has given the IAF the go-ahead to take delivery of 10 Mirage 2000-H fighters next month but has put a question mark on the proposal to purchase another 124 Mirage 2000-5 fighters.
In the wake of a controversy over the 350 million dollar Mirage 2000-H deal, the Government wants the IAF to consider other fighters instead of concentrating only on the 2000-5 Mirage variant.
It’s learnt that Air Headquarters will be asked to project its ‘‘air staff requirement’’ after which there are plans to float a global tender.
The Mirage deal — the 10 aircraft are primarily replacements for aircraft that have gone down — was shrouded in controversy after Panama-based Keyser Incorporated took Dassault Aviation to a Paris court, seeking ‘‘commission’’ for the contract with India signed on September 19, 2002.
Keyser withdrew its case from the appellate court on September 2, 2004 after losing the case in the lower court in 2002.
The IAF is now preparing a list of pilots to bring home the 10 aircraft from Biarritz in France by November 15.
Indian1973in recent exercises, Raptors are said to have defeated a 1:4 ratio of Eagles and Vipers both alone and in groups of Raptors. the opponents were supposed to be both interceptor sweeps and protecting high value targets like E-3.
I think the Eagle is going to get its stellar rep *savagely mauled* now 😉 cope india was nothing, the Raptor is going to really give it a good spanking and put it firmly in its place ….
feel sad for South Korea :diablo:
Indian1973there are some indian origin (tamil) people in singapore defence forces I think, going by the cap insignia is it possible the two ground personnel on right are actually RSAF ?
Indian1973must be the gas generator cold-launch thing for SLCM/SLBM.
Indian1973good for tourism also! people can gawk at the sleek RSAF F-16s roaring off into the desert …the pokhran firing range
and the ACM range in gwalior are both with flying radius.
Indian1973it would be nice if France would join the Pak-FA. but traditionally they have always gone their own way and I suspect after some disagreements they might just walk out.
A way to hedge against that risk is to develop 3 versions like JSF, one to russian specs, one to french and one for whoever else wants to join in – if they have a different vision.
france doesnt have a Raptor class engine. the M88-3 is too small. Russia has the Al41 which can be further developed into a more refined form.
one thing is sure, to be a Raptorski one needs 2 x 35000lb
thrust engines on a 20ton full load airframe.
fight the Raptor like a Raptor!
Indian1973the three Talwars do have a KA31 each presently.
Indian1973IDR:
INTERNATIONAL DEFENSE REVIEW – OCTOBER 01, 2004
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Russians release details of Ka-31 airborne
early-warning helicopter
The Kamov helicopter company and Rosoboronexport have
released new details of the Ka-31 airborne early
warning helicopter. The Ka-31, equipped with the E801M
Oko (Eye) air and sea surveillance radar, is the
latest member of a family of multipurpose helicopters,
including the naval anti-submarine warfare (ASW) Ka-27
and Ka-28, the search-and-rescue (SAR) Ka-27PS and the
air assault Ka-29.
So far, nine Ka-31s have been sold and delivered to
India for use on board the aircraft carrier Viraat and
Krivak III frigates. China may become the next
customer, after a large Chinese delegation visited the
Ka-31 production line at the KumAPO factory (Kumertau,
Bashkiria) in July 2003. (China procured five Ka-28s
and three Ka-27PSs from KumAPO in 1999).
Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela are also mentioned as
potential Ka-31 users at sea (on board Brazil’s
aircraft carrier São Paulo) and on land (for
anti-smuggling/ anti-insurgency operations in the
Amazon forest).
The Russian armed forces plan to procure a number of
Ka-31s up to 2010. A version of Ka-31 with another
(unknown) mission system is being prepared under a
contract from the Russian ground forces; this version
would form an element of a battlefield
reconnaissance-strike system.
In its existing form, the ship-based Ka-31 is designed
to provide a naval task group with a significantly
increased detection range against aerial targets,
including sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missiles.
The Oko radar is capable of detecting a small air
target at a range of 110-115km. Assuming a patrol
station of between 100-150km from the ship, this would
extend the warning range out to 210-260km.
The radar is designed to detect air targets at
altitudes of between 15,000-10,500ft (below the
helicopter’s own patrol altitude); targets at higher
altitudes can be detected by the ship’s own radars.
In offensive missions, the Ka-31 can detect and track
surface targets, for instance at a distance of 200km
from an altitude of 10,000ft, during over-the-horizon
targeting missions. Sent back to the ship via
datalink, the target track data can be used to set up
an engagement with anti-ship missiles.
According to Kamov President Sergey Mikheyev, the
Ka-31 can also be used for coastal surveillance,
anti-smuggling duties, air traffic control and SAR
operations. The aircraft can be operated from any ship
with a 12t-specification flight deck. Its performance
data include a 2.5 hour patrol endurance at 10,500ft
and a cruise speed of 100-110km/h. Its operational
radius, determined by the range of the secure
datalink, is typically 150km (at 4,500ft).
The E801M Oko radar mission system (called E801E in
its export version) was developed by the
Nauchno-Issledovatelskiy Institut Radiotekhniki (the
NIIR – Scientific-Research Institute of
Radiotechnology) at Nizhniy Novgorod. The system is
designed to send pre-processed target data to the
shipborne or shore-based control center, where the
secondary processing is carried out.
The E801M is a pulse-Doppler D-band (L-band) radar,
scanning mechanically (at 6rpm) in azimuth and
electronically in elevation. The 200kg, rectangular,
6x1m passive phased-array antenna has four rows with
24 antenna elements each. The radar may be operated in
an air-to-surface, air-to-air or combined mode. In the
last mode, each sixth revolution of the antenna is
used for watching the sea surface, whereas the
remaining five scan for aerial targets.
The radar can track up to 40 airborne or surface
threats simultaneously. Fighter aircraft (radar
cross-section 1.8m2) can be detected at 110-115km;
surface ships (radar cross-section 300m2) can be
detected within the horizon limit.
The two-man crew (of a pilot and a navigator-operator)
is supported by an instrument panel dominated by two
color MFI-10-5I multifunction displays (6x8in) on the
left-hand pilot side. Basic flying indications are
backed-up by conventional analog instruments. The
control panels installed on the center console include
two PS3-1 multifunction panels with flat-panel liquid
crystal displays.
The E801M system includes the Kronshtadt (St
Petersburg, Russia) Kabris 31 display subsystem, which
features a 6x8in screen located on the right-hand side
of the instrument panel in front of the
navigator-operator’s seat. The touchscreen display can
show the synthetic radar image and target markers with
attached information, as well as a target’s historic
trace. A digital map is displayed as the background
with an adjustable brightness level.
The Kabris 31 is also used as a standby navigation
system including a digital map stored in the computer
memory as well as information from the 12-channel
Global Positioning System/Glonass receiver.
The Ka-31 features a Ramenskoye Instrument Design
Bureau PNK-37DM flight and navigation system, designed
to support over-water operations including extra
stabilization and vibration damping required by the
radar. The system (export designation PNK-37DME)
maintains a preset heading and altitude, follows the
path selected, performs the approach to landing and
provides the exact position of the helicopter without
external sources of information.
The system is controlled by two Baget-53-16 computers
and includes an INS-2000 inertial navigation system;
A737 satellite navigation receiver; DISS-32-28 Doppler
navigation radar; A-723/011 long-range radio
navigation system compatible with Loran and Omega;
ARK-25 radio compass; A052 radio altimeter; SBKV-2V
air data system; and other devices. It also includes
an SAU-37D autopilot from Konstruktorskoye Byuro
Promyshlennoi Avtomatiki (Industry Automation Design
Bureau) of Saratov, which reduces the swaying motion
of the helicopter to below 2º when flying with the
rotating radar antenna deployed.
Both the E801M radar mission system and the PNK-37DM
flight-navigation system are installed using an open
architecture with multiplex data buses in accordance
with MIL-STD-1553B (Russian standard GOST
26765.52-87).
The Ka-31 helicopters delivered to India have been
equipped with modified Klimov TV3-117VMAR engines,
ordered earlier for Ka-28 export helicopters. The VMAR
version differs from the standard VMA engine by having
its nominal power increased from 1,700shp to 1,900shp;
take-off power is unchanged at 2,200shp.
The E801M mission system needs a sizeable amount of
power. For this purpose, the Ka-31 has been equipped
with a TA-8-Ka auxiliary power unit, which is much
more powerful than the AI-9 commonly used in Russian
helicopters. Fuel tanks providing a total capacity of
3,060 liters are installed under the cabin floor and
inside fairings on the fuselage sides. Piotr Butowski
Ka-31 specification.
Rotor diameter 15.9m each
Fuselage length 11.295m
Overall length with rotors and nose probe folded
12.25m
Maximum width 3.81m
Maximum height 5.64m
Maximum take-off weight 12,200kg
Maximum speed 250km/h
Cruise speed 220km/h
Typical operating speed 100-110km/h
Maximum operating speed 150km/h
Operating altitude 5m – 3,500m
Operation radius up to 150km
Operation duration 2 hr 30min
Range 600km
Indian1973a few excerpts from recent DefenceNews. its the LOH making room for the LCH !!
India To Reduce Purchase Of High-Altitude Copters
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI NEW DELHI
The Indian Army has decided to trim its purchase of
foreign-made combat helicopters from 198 to 35,
reducing the expected bill from $440 million to $80
million, a Defence Ministry official said.
The move will allow India to buy the under-development
Light Combat Helicopter from state-owned Hindustan
Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL), the official said.
But analysts said the move may signal progress in
talks between India and Pakistan about combat on the
lofty Siachen glacier in the Kargil region in the
northern Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. Last year,
India asked for tenders for 198 high-altitude
helicopters, said defense analyst Semant Harish, a
retired Indian Army captain.
In the meantime, trials of the helicopters competing
for the Indian bid have begun ;;in the mountainous
terrain of Jammu and Kashmir and in Rajasthan’s Thar
desert. U.S. Bell Helicopter sent its Bell 407,
France’s Eurocopter sent its Fennec AS 550 C3, and
Russia’s Kamov sent its Ka-226 to India.
The Indian Army is looking for a combat-and-utility
helicopter for all-weather low- and high-altitude
combat and rescue operations to replace its heavily
used Cheetah and Chetak light combat helicopters, a
senior Army Aviation official said. The helicopter
will be used to ferry troops above 20,000 feet.
The Army wants the new helicopter to carry advanced
axial guns, rocket launchers, anti-tank missiles and
air-to-air missiles. It should have next-generation
avionics and a reconnaissance system with radar that
can handle maritime and land surveillance.
…….
…….
Meanwhile, HAL is close to launching its Light Combat
Helicopter program, a 5.5-ton aircraft intended to
meet the Indian military’s high-altitude needs. The
new helicopter will carry air-to-air missiles, 20mm
gun systems, unguided rockets and anti-radiation
missiles that also could be used against unmanned
aerial vehicles and slow-moving aircraft. It will
incorporate a number of stealth features, have tough
landing gear, and a cockpit equipped with
multifunction display systems designed for night
attack.
HAL Chairman Nalini Ranjan Mohanty said the new
aircraft will be competitive in price, and that the
Army and Air Force are finalizing their requirements.
The project was born after Indian Air Force Mi-35 and
Mi-25 gunships failed during the 1999 Kargil battle,
where only the Cheetah and Chetak helicopters could
ferry troops and material above 20,000 feet.
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ndia To Buy Mirage 2000-5 Aircraft From Qatar
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI, NEW DELHI
The Indian government has given the Air Force the
go-ahead to buy 12 used Mirage 2000-5 multirole
aircraft from Qatar.
……
Air Force sources said the aircraft — nine single-seat
Mirage-2005 EDAs and three two-seat DDAs — cost about
$35 million each. An additional $200 million will be
needed to install new-generation avionics and weapons
and to establish an infrastructure for operations, the
sources said.
…….
The Mirage acquisition will be the first major deal
inked by the new United Progressive Alliance
government. It likely will be finalized by year’s end,
with deliveries beginning in March, the ministry
official said.
Qatar bought the aircraft from Dassault Aviation,
Saint Cloud, France, in 1997, but is phasing out the
aircraft in its shift to U.S. equipment, he said.
……..
The outgoing National Democratic Alliance government
initiated talks with Qatar for the Mirage purchase,
and the Air Force sent delegations to Qatar last
January and July to inspect the aircraft.
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India Makes Its First Naval Radar System
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI, NEW DELHI
India has designed and developed its first airborne
multi-mode airborne surveillance radar system for the
Navy.
The service has ordered 10 Super-Vision 2000 Radar
systems at an estimated cost of $600,000 apiece, for
delivery beginning in mid-2005, said a senior
executive of Bharat Electronics Ltd. (BEL), Bangalore,
which will produce the system.
The state Defence Research and Development
Organisation’s Electronics & Radar Development
Establishment (LRDE), Bangalore, developed the
Super-Vision-2000 Radar system this year.
An LRDE scientist said the Super-Vision 2000 is a
lightweight and compact system developed for
helicopters such as the indigenous Advanced Light
Helicopter (ALH) and the Navy’s Russian Kamov
helicopters, as well as aircraft like its Dornier
maritime surveillance planes.
The LRDE scientist said the system design and
development phase cost $2.2 million. The system
comprises an antenna, transmitter, receiver, data
processor and display, and weighs less than 100
kilograms. The radar can detect sea-surfacing targets
like a periscope or vessel as well as sea-skimming
missiles and targets in the air. The radar also can be
used for navigation, weather mapping and beacon
detection.
The Super-Vision 2000 will be installed in the naval
version of the ALH being produced by Hindustan
Aeronautics Ltd., Bangalore.
BEL plans to market the system to other militaries
after it fulfills the Indian Navy’s requirements.
Indian1973they will have arrange for live black roosters and goats to sacrifice. and extra orders of bats wings, newts eyes and toads testicles 🙂
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