GD I see that my post embarassed you and you tried to evade the point. $500 mil is peanuts by any std both Boeing and in china’s overall basket of exports. Yes there must be plenty of chinese workers maybe thousands but what does it matter – their cumulative sales in more than decade of work has been onlee $1b to boeing + airbus combined . low productivity, low margins. nothing much to shout about YET like you tend to do. Boeings
composite division in winnipeg exports around $35 mil annually
to its parent….and its a small shop located in the canadian wilderness. Its likely more than all the PRC suppliers sent to boeing in 03 since sales to airbus were $12 mil per my
post.
having 3500 doors flying worldwide is nice, but gives little leverage I am afraid. theres a line of people waiting to sell doors, door-to-door if need be 🙂

> inferior to the J10 because it’s frame is smaller, and has a
> weaker engine.

freter12 I will just pick up one of your points to prove you are a
total ignoramus. if a big engine and a big frame were all it takes
to be a ‘superior’ fighter we’d still see Mig25 today instead of
Su27 family. Tu128 would also be a great idea.

By your theorem the Gripen is inferior to the J-10 because it is smaller and has a weaker engine.

First let the china govt reveal the true fitment and performance
of J-10 before you start tom-tomming its benefits.

I see that other than Crobato, the rest of china pack tends to get
very upset when confronted with adverse comments and deviations from the careful “all-is-great script” they try to chart.

Very disappointing. Yahoo & PLA persist in being the broken one track records, chanting the same mantra everyday.

I thinks its fair to say PRC has shown great enthusiasm, talent, willingness and hard work in producing ac even if they were not state of the art when they were produced. the producer (design instts, factories) and the consumer(PLAAF) being under the same control eases the entry of service of a.c esp since imports were not an option until the early 1990s.

They have started with russian designs and progressed now to their own designs albeit still with some imported parts like engines. in the process a large domestic manufacturing and design capability has been built up.

at the hi-end they still have to import for the forseeable future since a MKK class ac is beyond their reach presently. large a/c like transports IL76 and
large commercial a/c again have to be all imported as no domestic projs reported.

EU certainly will grave issues sustaining its combat power over the
coming decades. Certain secular trends are working against the
EU and Japan

* a expensive cradle to grave welfare state system thats under strain as the population continues to age (working age adults less & less)
* immigration from the poor countries to make up shortfall creates social problems and domestic opposition. Its very unpopular in germany from what I hear and Japan doesnt allow immigration at all.
* economies & productivity are not growing fast enough to make
up the slack.
* unwillingness of population to engage in wars or take casualties from distant threats (unlike the US heartland).
* large and restive religious minorities in UK, france limit their freedom of action.

the UK defence cuts are not a flash in the pan, its indicative of
a decline in the EU’s global military and economic power.

As it fades away, younger and ‘hungrier’ nations like india & china
are stepping in to drive global demand and growth markets.
russia is recovering very smartly and brazil is doing ok.

its a matter of couple decades before the rise of the new emerging nations is complete. events can delay but not stop the
process.

heres something that should convince the doubters:

http://www.morganstanley.com/GEFdata/digests/20040726-mon.html#anchor6

The rise of China and India is the most important economic force in the world. Together, they account for 40% of the global population of working age and 18% of the global economy, on the basis of purchasing power parity (PPP). For two decades, their economies have been growing twice as fast as the rest of the world. On present trends, it will take just two decades before their share of the global economic pie will match their share of the global population. Indeed, in a decade, China’s economy should surpass that of the US and India’s should be bigger than Japan’s (using PPP).
…..
Over the next 10-15 years, we see the development models of India and China converging. Both low-cost countries will be driving forces in the trade of goods and services, with their exports possibly rising from a combined 12% of the global total today to 20% by 2010 and 30% by 2030. (Our calculation internalizes euro-zone intra-regional trade.)

Such an outcome could result in a restructuring of the global economy, in several ways. Neither India nor China is self-sufficient in exhaustible natural resources — with a few exceptions in the case of India — and rising demand for such relatively scarce commodities will make them more expensive. With both countries having vast pools of low-cost workers, that will inevitably depress prices for manufactured goods and tradable services. While that might lower wages in some industries in other countries, consumers across the globe would have greater purchasing power.

Global companies are best poised to benefit from India and China’s greater annexation of overseas product and service markets. Indeed, most of the growth for such companies could come from the industrialization and globalization of India and China.

Globalization has underpinned the economic progress of China and India in the past 25 years. If the next quarter of a century were to unfold similarly, China and India would be mostly industrialized and in turn would be both economic exemplars and major markets for poorer countries.

very expensive, considering 155mm HE-ER airburst rounds retail for around $1000 each.

> This is further description from another source

what source? some relative in the PAF ? media interview ?

I would wait and watch when they integrate into F-7 before further comments. thanks for playing, I wont pursue the matter any further at this stage.

yes thats my question. he has not said what technology, from where and what is the nature of this technology at all. Let us
assume its the SA missiles.

Kentron has not acknowledged any of it..nor have I seen posted
reports of its test program in SA (thats why I asked you to search
all the archive subscriptions you seem to have)

If indeed ths superdarter were completed, wouldnt the SA Gripens
just love to field this superior weapon than just the basic R-darter ? yet its the r-darter they are fielding per the website.

sale of the technology to Pak while banning the host country itself from using it ? strange to me.

You say the PAF has been testing it with no publicity. Possible, but then its just your word or someone in a internet forums word.