Thanks for that enlightening info.
Its very doubtful that the LCA will be ever permitted for export given India’s strict export control permissions and all sorts of political wrangling!
What strict export controls (I know nothing about these)?
Its of course a “waste” of a lot of revenue generating potential, the original program aims were never around export success.
To be honest, India simply does not care for the international market, the LCA is primarily, first and foremost for the local one.
I am reasonably sure that even the MCA may only be meant for Indian needs.
Strange approach. Why does India see things so differently to Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, Spain, USA, Sweden? What advantage flows from India’s approach?
f) IMHO the following is a likely timeline
roll out by 2013
first flight by 2013-14
IOC by 2015-16
In the meantime we might expect another squadron of Mk1 for IAF.Deino, I don’t think anyone realistically expected LCA to become an export success, given IAF’s yawning gap in fighter numbers and HAL’s annual production rate. but mark my words, it will serve the Indian military in significant numbers. do not forget there are numbers to be produced for the navy as well. 😉
It seems strange to me that a country trying to achieve a sophisticated fast jet capability should ignore the world market. Tejas Mk2 could be a very capable light fighter with a price tag no other aircraft could match for the capability offered. Investing large amounts of money over several decades to produce an aircraft whose performance is acceptable to the IAF and then to limit production to 200 or so for home consumption does not make sense to me.
How many light fighters will be retired over the next couple of decades – 1000? 2000? Is the US developing a moderately priced successor the F16? No. Is there a moderately priced successor to the MiG-21 being developed? Not that I know of. There is the Gripen NG but I would hazard that it could not compete with the Tejas Mk2 costwise.
I imagine that there is quite a learning process in supporting export sales of sophisticated aircraft. I suggest India embarks on that process with the Tejas Mk2. Should the MCA ever come to fruition, it may be that India would be interested in exporting it. Its prospects in the export market would be much better if India had already demonstrated its competence in supporting exports. One reason Russian civil aircraft have not been successful in export markets is because spares support etc has been lousy in comparison to western types.
I had read that as a result of the added weight the Tejas mk.1’s effective payload capacity had been reduced to 2000-2500kg. I can quite understand if this was a factor in the IAF’s dissatisfaction given it rather compromises the fighter’s utility in any strike role.
Am I right in thinking that the Mk1 is too under-powered to perform well as a fighter and too heavy to carry a useful weapons load as a strike aircraft? If so, is it still a suitable MiG21 replacement? If it is, I suggest the IAF order a load more to maintain squadron strength in spite of its shortcomings. Given the Mk2 time line suggested by the air marshal, I suspect that the IAF will otherwise need to order a lot more MMRCA’s than intended. If the IAF ends up with 250 or so MMRCA on order, how many Mk2 Tejas will it need?
If the currently proposed GE414 Mk2 Tejas will not be available until near the end of the decade, my thinking is that it would have been better to redesign the Kaveri, increasing thrust to a level adequate for Mk2 Tejas and MCA and to design the Tejas Mk2 around the redesigned Kaveri.
” Lockheed in the last two weeks has delayed plans for the first flight of the first JSF production aircraft from the last quarter of 2010 until “spring of 2011,” company spokesman John Kent said.
Read more: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2010/11/yet-another-f-35-delay-reported.html#ixzz14VD0Ms6S “
Sounds like another delay to me.
The extra bill for the delays of LM will surface over the years for all to see.
This is one problem I foresaw years ago for F-35 export customers – increased costs keeping their existing fighter fleets airworthy if the foreseeable delay in the F-35 program occurred.
Lest it be forgotten, the F-35 was supposed to be “cheap” (F-16 price range) and IIRC with lower maintenance costs than the the F-16. The only thing left that LM can get right is performance.
Bullish on EF in the FT yesterday:
Quote:
The Eurofighter consortium – the UK, Germany, Spain and Italy – is considering inviting India as the fifth partner in its defence alliance should it opt for the Typhoon multirole combat aircraft as part of the modernisation of its air force…
“That kind of debate will probably seal the deal,” said an official close to the fighter jet competition who held up the prospect of India as a “major player” within the Eurofighter *consortium.
So what’s new? Partnership was always the offer, I think.
The story is not going away:
ARES/Bill Sweetman
Shame these journos can’t spell. They write things they do not mean:
“reeling from last months’ bail-out by the UK”
= “shocked by the UK having to provide distress funding last month”
= load of nonsense
I think that what the non-speller meant to say was:
“reeling from last month’s bale-out by the UK”
The main pro of ESAs from a performance standpoint is that they can scan the entire search volume nearly instantaneously, unlike an MSA which has a refresh based on its mechanical scan rate.
Sorry if this question has been addressed… but why not just use ~ 3/4 of a globe shape to give constant ~ 270 degree coverage?
Stop the press! Last minute news :
Brazil to get Rafales much sooner than expected!!!ttp://www.fab.mil.br/portal/operacoes_aereas/cruzex5/index
Good day all, Tay.:D
Corrected link address – h missed from http:
http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/operacoes_aereas/cruzex5/index
… but I’m not sure where the reference to Rafales is on this page.
How many potential sales has F-35 taken away from the Euro Fighter?
Norway (~50?), Denmark (~50?), Netherlands (80+?), Turkey (100+?) and probably some others I have missed.
^^^^ Interesting.
Because in Loke’s excerpt, there was this sentence :
So that since, if i’m not mistaken, Eurojet is up front for the TEJAS’
engine design/prod completion, they would also get an edge in MMRCA
as was also notable here :
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/eurojet-pips-ge-in-lca-engine-bid/408579/
Old mistaken news! IIRC the GE414 was selected soon after this story was published.
Croatia and Slovenia proposition to “share” fighter force
Hard on the heels of the news that the UK is considering sharing use of its future aircraft carriers with France, Croatia and Slovenia are considering a joint purchase of fighters.
“Croatia and Slovenia have agreed to form a new working group to study the possible joint procurement of at least 12 multirole fighters.”
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“A joint Croatian/Slovenian air force could be established at the latter’s Cerklje air base, with co-operation between the NATO members to also possibly be extended to a joint transport acquisition.”
Source:
Is this perhaps the start of a trend for close allies to share materiel in these times of military belt tightening?
When the 3 branches of the British military are unifed next year, will it then be the “”royal Armed Forces” or just “British Armed Forces”? Or just “British Forces”?
I get your point. With no arms and no personnel how about just “British”?
Something strange I spotted in the interview with the ADA Director about the LCA…
http://forceindia.net/interview8.aspx
“We are confident that the Tejas equipped with the alternate engine will provide the IAF with a fighter which offers contemporary performance over a decade of service.”
Why would the director be saying that the Mk2 would be in service for a decade? Perhaps that as just a slip of the tongue. Otherwise a decade seems a remarkably short service life unless the intention is to fly each Tejas Mk2 very intensively (say 500+ hours per annum). Any comments to explain would be welcome.